Determining Displacement and Direction of Sailboard During Wind Gust

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The discussion revolves around determining the displacement and direction of a sailboard during a wind gust. The original poster describes a scenario where the sailboard is initially moving at a speed of 6.5 m/s and experiences an acceleration of 0.48 m/s² at an angle of 35° for a duration of 6.3 seconds. Participants are engaged in exploring how to visualize the displacement and trajectory of the sailboard during this gust.

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  • Participants discuss the need for a visual representation of the sailboard's trajectory, questioning how to plot the position versus velocity. There are inquiries about the correct orientation of axes and how to represent the trajectory considering the acceleration.

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Participants have provided guidance on plotting the trajectory and considering the effects of acceleration. There is an ongoing exploration of different coordinate systems and how they affect the visualization of the displacement. Some participants have acknowledged numeric results but are still clarifying conceptual aspects.

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There are mentions of potential confusion regarding the application of kinematic equations due to the nature of acceleration in the problem. Participants are also reflecting on the implications of using different time intervals for calculating positions during the gust.

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Homework Statement



You're sailing at 6.5ms^-1 when a wind gust hits, lasting 6.3s accelerating your board at 0.48ms^-2 at 35° to your original direction.
Find the magnitude and direction of your displacement during the gust.

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Attached is the magnitude of the displacement. How should I go about determining the direction of the sail board?

I ought to have been clearer in my question: I have determined the angle of displacement (6.394 degrees from the x-axis but I am unable to visualize a schematic as to what is going on)
could someone give me a leg-up?
 
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You numeric results are correct. What sort of visualization do you have in mind?

You could take a piece of paper, and draw a rectangular system of axes on it. Let at the beginning of the gust the boat be at the origin. Plot the trajectory during the gust.
 
voko said:
You numeric results are correct. What sort of visualization do you have in mind?

You could take a piece of paper, and draw a rectangular system of axes on it. Let at the beginning of the gust the boat be at the origin. Plot the trajectory during the gust.

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Where should the x and y component of the velocity go? what about the angle of displacement?
 
Do not plot the velocity. Plot the position. That will give a visualization of the trajectory.
 
voko said:
Do not plot the velocity. Plot the position. That will give a visualization of the trajectory.

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Does this make sense?
 
I would normally expect axes too be oriented differently, but that is not essential. The initial and final points are indicate correctly. But the trajectory should not be a straight line.
 
voko said:
I would normally expect axes too be oriented differently, but that is not essential. The initial and final points are indicate correctly. But the trajectory should not be a straight line.


Should it be curve due to the acceleration? If so, how should it be imposed- below the hypothenus and connecting the hypothenus?
 
You do not have to guess. Take a number of times between zero and 6.3 seconds and compute the position at those times. Then connect them on your diagram.
 
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voko said:
You do not have to guess. Take a number of times between zero and 6.3 seconds and compute the position at those times. Then connect them on your diagram.


I get it. Thanks!
 
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Here is another consideration for you. Let the y-axis be parallel to the direction of acceleration due to the gust, and x be perpendicular to it. What will the trajectory look like in these coordinates?
 
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voko said:
You do not have to guess. Take a number of times between zero and 6.3 seconds and compute the position at those times. Then connect them on your diagram.

Given s = vt;

s = (48.749ms^-1i , 5.4633ms^-1j) 1.26s = 61.42m i, 6.88mj
s = (48.749ms^-1i , 5.4633ms^-1j) 2(1.26s) = 122.8474 i, 13.76mj
s = (48.749ms^-1i , 5.4633ms^-1j) 3(1.26s) = 232.16m i, 26mj
s = (48.749ms^-1i , 5.4633ms^-1j) 4(1.26s) = 309m i, 34.67mj
s = (48.749ms^-1i , 5.4633ms^-1j) 5(1.26s) = 386.946m i, 43.34mj
 
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voko said:
Here is another consideration for you. Let the y-axis be parallel to the direction of acceleration due to the gust, and x be perpendicular to it. What will the trajectory look like in these coordinates?

isn't it similar to the one I just did?
 
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s = vt when there is no acceleration. Which is not the case in this problem. Besides, (48.749ms^-1i , 5.4633ms^-1j) is the final displacement, not the velocity.
 
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voko said:
s = vt when there is no acceleration. Which is not the case in this problem. Besides, (48.749ms^-1i , 5.4633ms^-1j) is the final displacement, not the velocity.

What a blunder to have taken displacement x time.

If the acceleration is not constant, none of the kinematics equation can be used, isn't it?
 
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Why is the acceleration not constant? As I said, you got the correct numeric result originally. What can't you repeat the same thing, but for different times?
 
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voko said:
Why is the acceleration not constant? As I said, you got the correct numeric result originally. What can't you repeat the same thing, but for different times?


Ok. I read your post wrongly. I read it as "no constant acceleration" instead of "no acceleration".

The solution is then;

ax = 0.393ms^-2
vx = 6.5ms^-1

ay = 0.2753ms^-2
vy = 0ms^-1

s = vit + 0.5at^2

s = (6.5ms^-1, 0ms^-1)([t=0,1.26,6.3]s + 0.5(0.393ms^-2,0.2753ms^-2)([t=0,1.26,6.3]^2

The above would give me the position of (i,j) from [t = 0,1.26,6.3] →from t=0 to 6.3 in segments of 1.26s
 
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Yes, that seems OK.

But pay attention to #10 as well. You do not need to compute anything there. Just think.
 

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