Determining Parallax Accuracy for Stellar Distances

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The discussion revolves around determining the distance to stars using parallax measurements, specifically focusing on achieving a distance accuracy of 10% or better. The original poster seeks to understand how the accuracy of angle measurements impacts the uncertainty in distance calculations, referencing the Hipparcos catalogue and the concept of parallax.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between angle measurement accuracy and distance calculation through parallax. Questions arise regarding the implications of measuring angles to milliarcsecond precision and how this relates to achieving the desired percentage uncertainty in distance.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the connections between angle accuracy and distance uncertainty. Some have provided insights into the formulas involved, while others express confusion about how to incorporate the 10% uncertainty into their calculations. There is a lack of consensus on the interpretation of the relationship between angle measurements and distance uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the Hipparcos catalogue, but it is noted that it may not be necessary for this problem. Participants also express uncertainty about the available data and how it affects their ability to determine angle accuracy.

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Homework Statement


Out to what distance in parsecs can we find the distances of stars to 10% accuracy or better; i.e., at what distance would the 1 mas accuracy of the measurements result in a 10% uncertainty in the distance? (HINT: To reasonable accuracy, the percentage uncertainty in the inverse of a quantity equals the percentage uncertainty in the quantity itself.)


Homework Equations


Tan(θ)= opp/adj


The Attempt at a Solution



My teacher tells me that this is all the information I need, this question mentioned the Hipparcos catalogue, but I was told I didn't need it. Any ideas? I know how to calculate the distance of a celestial object using parallactic angle..but how are you suppose to know the uncertainity?
 
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Hi ~Sam~! :smile:

With what accuracy can you measure angles?
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi ~Sam~! :smile:

With what accuracy can you measure angles?

I'm not quite sure I understand. Do you mean the usage of the small angle approximation? And the relative accuracy for small angles, thus distance objects?
 
To measure distance by parallax, you have to measure angles (at two different times).

The accuracy of the distance depends on the accuracy of the angles.

So how accurate are the angles?
 
tiny-tim said:
To measure distance by parallax, you have to measure angles (at two different times).

The accuracy of the distance depends on the accuracy of the angles.

So how accurate are the angles?

Sorry, I'm just not getting it, and I don't have data or anything..So I'm not sure how to determine the accuracy of the angle.
 
Ok wait, so I can accurately measure the angle to the milliarsecond. So with that we can get 1000 parsecs relatively accurate. But where does the 10 percent come into play? How would I figure that out?
 
~Sam~ said:
Ok wait, so I can accurately measure the angle to the milliarsecond.

Good.

Now what is the formula connecting the parallax angle with the distance? :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Good.

Now what is the formula connecting the parallax angle with the distance? :smile:

tan(θ)= opp/adj, so opp=1parsec and adj=our distance.
But more importantly there is p('')= 1/ r(pc) so r(parsecs)=1/ p(arsecs)..I could divide and get 1000pc.?

Still, I have difficulty understanding how to incorporate the 10%..or is it already incorporated with the answer being 1000pc?
 
~Sam~ said:
tan(θ)= opp/adj, so opp=1parsec and adj=our distance.

No, adj is our distance from the star, and opp is our distance from the sun (or is it twice that? :confused:).

So θ ~ tanθ = sun-distance/star-distance.

Assuming we know sun-distance extremely accurately, what is the relation between uncertainty in star-distance and uncertainty in angle?
 
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tiny-tim said:
No, adj is our distance from the star, and opp is our distance from the sun (or is it twice that? :confused:).

So θ ~ tanθ = sun-distance/star-distance.

Assuming we know sun-distance extremely accurately, what is the relation between uncertainty in star-distance and uncertainty in angle?

Since θ =sun-distance/star-distance. Then star distance= sun distance/θ. I'm not sure what you mean by uncertainty in star distance and angle (do you mean inverse proportional?). Thanks for the help so far.
 

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