How Accurately Will Gaia Measure Cepheid Distances?

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The discussion revolves around the accuracy of distance measurements to Cepheid variable stars using the Gaia satellite, which is designed to have high astrometric precision. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the expected outcome of the problem, particularly in the context of cosmology and parallax measurements.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between distance and angle using trigonometric principles, with some questioning the implications of the calculated angle being very small. There is also discussion about the interpretation of the problem's wording and what specific physical quantity is being requested.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the implications of Gaia's astrometric accuracy and discussing the limitations of measuring such small angles. There is recognition of the challenges in estimating distances based on the calculated parallax, and suggestions that averaging measurements from multiple stars could yield better results.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the specific distance to the Magellanic clouds and the astrometric accuracy of Gaia, which is set at 24 micro-arcseconds. There is ambiguity regarding the physical quantity the problem is asking for, contributing to the discussion's complexity.

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The planned Gaia satellite is a successor to Hipparcos. It will have an astrometric accuracy of 24 micro-arcseconds, and be able to detect Cepheid variable stars in the Magellanic clouds (~ 70kpc away). Estimate how accurately Gaia will determine distances to these Cepheids

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I haven't really done any cosmology before so this is new to me. I've just defined a parsec in the previous question as a star 1pc away having a parallax of one arcsecond.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/Parsec.png

I'm not sure what value this question actually wants as an answer :confused:
 
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Take your picture and replace the base distance with the approximate distance to the Magellanic cloud. Now what is the angle. (Hint: this is really trigonometry - not cosmology).
 
Hmm, i tried that and the angle came out as virtually 0 arc seconds
 
You're right! It is virtually zero. But it is NOT zero. Express the answer in micro-arcseconds. This whole game is about tiny angles.
 
ok, well converting to meters:

1AU = 149.6 x 10^9 m
70kpc = (70,000) * (3.086 x 10^16) m

Angle, say, x = 3.97 x 10^-9 degrees = 14.28 microarcseconds
 
So given the astrometric accuracy of Gaia, will it be able to accurately measure distances on this scale using parallax?
 
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Given that it can only(!) read to 24micro-arcseconds, no - as the calculated angle is 14.28 microarcseconds. But I'm confused at the way the question's worded - "estimate HOW ACCURATELY Gaia will determine distances to these Cepheids", I'm not sure what physical quantity it's asking for
 
Aside from saying "not very accurately at all", I'm not sure. You could say if the true parallax is 14, Gaia could measure anything between 0 and 38, implying it's somewhere between around half the true distance and infinity. Not very satisfying, eh? If it's any consolation, if you measured LOTS of stars and averaged the results - you could do a lot better. And I think that's what they do.
 
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