Determining Particle Type from Energy: Relativistic Approach

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The discussion revolves around determining the required accuracy in measuring the speed of a particle with an energy of 2 GeV to distinguish between a pion and a kaon, which have different masses. The context is rooted in relativistic physics, utilizing relevant equations to relate energy, momentum, and mass.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between energy, mass, and velocity using relativistic equations. There are attempts to express velocity in terms of energy and mass, with some participants noting the potential for a quadratic equation in the process.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their approaches and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the algebraic manipulation of the equations, and there is a recognition of differing outcomes in the calculations, prompting further inquiry into the methods used.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the calculations accurately reflect the relativistic context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Determine how accurately you will need to measure the speed of a particle that has energy 2 GeV to determine whether it is a pion (mass = 0.14 Gev/c^2) or a Kaon (mass = 0.49 Gev/C^2). *This question is in a relativity section, so I'm assuming relativistic equations are neccesary*

Homework Equations


[tex] E^2 = (p^2)(c^2) + (m^2)(c^4)[/tex]
[tex] p = (\gamma)mv[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I started by substituting [tex]p= (\gamma)mv[/tex] into the other equation so velocity can be related to mass, but I'm lost as to what the basic approach to this problem would be.
 
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That looks like a good start. I'd now try to solve for v in terms of E and m and get the value of v for a kaon and a pion and see what the difference is. It looks to me like it becomes a quadratic equation in v^2.
 
use gamma r = E/(mc^2) = 1/sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2)
so v/c = sqrt[1 - (mc^2/E)^2]
for pion, mc^2/E = 0.14/2 = 0.07
v/c = 0.9975
 
Dick said:
That looks like a good start. I'd now try to solve for v in terms of E and m and get the value of v for a kaon and a pion and see what the difference is. It looks to me like it becomes a quadratic equation in v^2.

Thanks, the only thing is when I solved it I didn't end up with a quadratic.
 
DukeLuke said:
Thanks, the only thing is when I solved it I didn't end up with a quadratic.

What DID you get?
 
I started by solving for p and substituing [tex]p= (\gamma mv)[/tex] for it.

[tex] \frac{mv}{\sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2}} = \sqrt{\frac{E^2 - m^2c^4}{c^2}}[/tex]



then I squared both sides and moved gamma and [tex]c^2[/tex] to opposite sides

[tex] m^2v^2c^2 = (E^2 - m^2c^4) (1 - v^2/c^2)[/tex]



multiply out right hand side

[tex] m^2v^2c^2 = E^2 + m^2c^2v^2 -m^2c^4 - \frac{E^2v^2}{c^2}[/tex]



group [tex]v^2[/tex] on same side and factor it out

[tex] v^2 (c^2m^2 + E^2/c^2 - m^2c^2) = E^2 - m^2c^4[/tex]



solve for v

[tex] v = \sqrt{\frac{E^2 -m^2c^4}{c^2m^2 + E^2/c^2 - m^2c^2}}[/tex]
 
That looks ok to me. You can cancel the two m^2*c^2 terms. It is even easier than I thought.
 

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