Determining smallest possible diameter of a cable

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The problem involves determining the smallest possible diameter of a round steel cable given its ultimate strength and the force acting along it. The subject area relates to material strength and mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the formula relating force, area, and ultimate strength, questioning the placement of variables and the correctness of unit usage. There is also a focus on the interpretation of the calculated value as either a radius or diameter.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing with participants exploring the formula and unit conversions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the interpretation of the calculated radius and its conversion to diameter, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with decimal placement in calculations and the need for clarity on units, indicating that these factors may affect the interpretation of the results.

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Homework Statement



You have a round steel cable with diameter d and a ultimate strenght of 400Mpa.
There is a force of 8,2KN working along the cable.
What is the smallest possible diameter the cable can have without breaking?

Homework Equations


δ= N/A
Area of a circle: πr^2


The Attempt at a Solution



δ= N/A = N/πr^2

Where N is the force working on the cable and δ is the ultimate strength of the cable.

Not sure about the placement of δ here:

r^2 = N/δπ

I tried working with the formula above by putting 8,2*10^3N/400*10^6Pa*π and taking the square root of the answer in order to find r. I ended up with an answer(for r) of 0,0255 and that seems too small to be correct.

I'm basically wondering about two things:

Am I on the correct path with regards to the formula?
Am I using the units correctly? (Pa vs N)
 
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kaffekjele said:

Homework Statement



You have a round steel cable with diameter d and a ultimate strenght of 400Mpa.
There is a force of 8,2KN working along the cable.
What is the smallest possible diameter the cable can have without breaking?

Homework Equations


δ= N/A
Area of a circle: πr^2


The Attempt at a Solution



δ= N/A = N/πr^2

Where N is the force working on the cable and δ is the ultimate strength of the cable.

Not sure about the placement of δ here:

r^2 = N/δπ

I tried working with the formula above by putting 8,2*10^3N/(400*10^6Pa*π) and taking the square root of the answer in order to find r. I ended up with an answer(for r) of 0,0255 and that seems too small to be correct.

I'm basically wondering about two things:

Am I on the correct path with regards to the formula?
Am I using the units correctly? (Pa vs N)
(Use adequate parentheses.)

What are your units for the answer, 0.0255 ?

Is that a diameter or a radius ?
 
Also check the location of the decimal point in the answer.
 
My bad, the answer would be for radius, r, so the diameter would be 2*r which would be 0,051.

As for units, if the answer above is correct, the only thing that makes sense is that it's in meters, thereby giving a diameter of 5,1cm. (But, units, exponents etc. is something i really have to work on)
 
Have you checked the location of the decimal point, as suggested by TSny ?
 

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