Determining speed and height on a roller coaster

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The discussion focuses on calculating the speed and height of a roller coaster car using the principles of conservation of energy. The car, with a mass of 80.0 kg, has an initial speed of 50.0 cm/s at point A. The correct speeds at points B, C, and E were determined using the equations PE1 + KE1 = PE2 + KE2, PE = mgy, and KE = 1/2mv^2. The participant encountered discrepancies with the answer key for points C and E, indicating a misunderstanding of energy conservation principles, particularly in applying the equations correctly.

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Homework Statement


One car (m=80.0 kg) tracks through the roller coaster in the following diagram. As it passes point A, it has a speed of 50.0 cm/s.

a) Determine the speed at points B, C, and E
b) If the speed at point D is _______, determine it's height (ignore friction)

Ch 5 Roller Coaster.jpeg


Homework Equations


PE1 + KE1=PE2 + KE2
PE=mgy
KE=1/2mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution


a) I correctly got the velocity for point B as 44.3 m/s (1/2mv^2=mgy, 1/2(80 kg)v^2=(80kg)(9.80m/s^2)(100m). However, when I apply the same formula to points C and E my answer doesn't match that of the answer key.

Point C: (80 kg)(9.80 m/s^2)(38 m)=1/2(80 kg)v^2, v=27.3 m/s. Answer key answer: 34.9 m/s

Point E: (80 kg)(9.80 m/s^s)(20 m)=1/2(80 kg)v^2, v=19.8 m/s. Answer key answer: 39.6 m/s

b) 1/2(80 kg)v^2=(80 kg)(9.80 m/s^2)y. I can simplify this equation but I don't know how to solve this as I would have 2 variables that I need to solve for.

Thank you for your wonderful brains on this!
 
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You quoted the equation: PE1 + KE1 = PE2 + KE2
You used the equation: PE = KE
 
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Don't get confused with ΔPE=ΔKE
 
PE1 + KE1=PE2 + KE2 becomes PE=KE because, for example, at point C KE1=0 and PE2=0, so I end up using the PE1=KE2 equation.

How am I confusing ΔPE with ΔKE?
 
KE1≠0 PE2≠0

You haven't used the fact that it's moving at 0.5ms-1 at A

You aren't confusing ΔKE with ΔPE. From your work it appears you are confusing ΔKE=ΔPE with KE=PE
 
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Total energy conserved:

mgy1+1/2 mv12=mgy2+1/2 mv22

For point B:
1/2(80kg)v2+(80kg)g0=(80kg)(9.80ms-2)(100m)+1/2(80kg)(0.5ms-1)2

The only reason you got the first part "right" is because 1/2(80kg)(0.5ms-1) is really small compared to (80kg)(9.80ms-2)(100m) and so it didn't make a noticable difference to the answer
 
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You want to use:

PEA+KEA=(80kg)(9.80ms-2)(100m)+1/2(80kg)(0.5ms-1)2=PEx+KEx=mgy+1/2mv2

For all but the last parts, y is known

For the last part, v is known
 
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