Determining the equation of a curve.

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The problem involves determining the equation of a curve traced by a point P(x,y) based on its distances from two fixed points A(-1,1) and B(2,-1). The condition states that the distance from point A to point P is three times the distance from point P to point B.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of distances from points A and B to point P, leading to an equation that the original poster believes represents a circle. There is uncertainty about whether this is the correct interpretation of the curve. Some suggest considering a parabolic approach, questioning how to formulate the equation for a slanted parabola. Others point out potential errors in the original setup of the distance relationship.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's attempts and pointing out errors in the formulation of the distance equation. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the nature of the curve, and some guidance has been offered to re-evaluate the setup.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the placement of the multiplier in the distance equation, which may affect the interpretation of the curve. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their derived equation and the implications of the distances involved.

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Homework Statement



A curve is traced by a point P(x,y) which moves such that its distance from the point A(-1,1) is three times its distance from the point B(2,-1). Determine the equation of the curve.


Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution



Distance from Point A to Point P:
\sqrt[2]{(x+1)^{2} + (y-1)^{2}}
Distance from Point P to Point B:
\sqrt[2]{(x-2)^{2} + (y+1)^{2}}

Distance from Point A to Point P is three times the distance from Point P to Point B so...
3 \sqrt[2]{(x+1)^{2} + (y-1)^{2}} = \sqrt[2]{(x-2)^{2} + (y+1)^{2}} \\<br /> 9(x+1)^{2} + 9(y-1)^{2} = (x-2)^{2} + (y+1)^{2} \\<br /> 9x^{2} + 18x + 9 + 9y^{2} - 18y - 9 = x^{2} - 4x + 4 + y^{2} + 2y + 2 \\<br /> 8x^{2} + 22x + 8y^{2} - 20y + 13 = 0

Doing this gives me the equation of a circle, which I don't think is a curve. After figuring out that the center of that circle was (-11/8, 5/4), the distance from the center to B is not 3 times the distance from the center to A. Then, I think my answer is wrong.

Reanalyzing the problem, I thought of a different approach which was to solve for the equation of a parabola knowing the directrix would be a line going through A(-1,1) and then the focus being (2,-1). However, this would make a slanted parabola and I have no idea how to make an equation for that.
 
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Arcs and circles are curves. A curve describes any figure which is not a straight line.
 
fire9132 said:

Homework Statement



A curve is traced by a point P(x,y) which moves such that its distance from the point A(-1,1) is three times its distance from the point B(2,-1). Determine the equation of the curve.


Homework Equations


None

The Attempt at a Solution



Distance from Point A to Point P:
\sqrt[2]{(x+1)^{2} + (y-1)^{2}}
Distance from Point P to Point B:
\sqrt[2]{(x-2)^{2} + (y+1)^{2}}

Distance from Point A to Point P is three times the distance from Point P to Point B so...
3 \sqrt[2]{(x+1)^{2} + (y-1)^{2}} = \sqrt[2]{(x-2)^{2} + (y+1)^{2}} \\<br /> 9(x+1)^{2} + 9(y-1)^{2} = (x-2)^{2} + (y+1)^{2} \\<br /> 9x^{2} + 18x + 9 + 9y^{2} - 18y - 9 = x^{2} - 4x + 4 + y^{2} + 2y + 2 \\<br /> 8x^{2} + 22x + 8y^{2} - 20y + 13 = 0

Doing this gives me the equation of a circle, which I don't think is a curve. After figuring out that the center of that circle was (-11/8, 5/4), the distance from the center to B is not 3 times the distance from the center to A. Then, I think my answer is wrong.

Reanalyzing the problem, I thought of a different approach which was to solve for the equation of a parabola knowing the directrix would be a line going through A(-1,1) and then the focus being (2,-1). However, this would make a slanted parabola and I have no idea how to make an equation for that.

You have written 3*d(A,P) = d(P,B), the exact opposite of what you want.
 
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fire9132 said:
3 \sqrt[2]{(x+1)^{2} + (y-1)^{2}} = \sqrt[2]{(x-2)^{2} + (y+1)^{2}}
You have placed the multiple 3 on the wrong side of the equation here. Try again from that point.

Also, be careful when you expand the expressions as you've made a couple of sloppy errors in your subsequent lines of working too.

EDIT: Beaten to it by Ray!
 
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Wow, I feel stupid for doing that. Finally got it now. Thank you all!
 

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