Diagonalization of symmetric bilinear function

Click For Summary
The discussion centers on the diagonalization of symmetric bilinear functions and their relationship to linear mappings and matrices. It explains that a bilinear function can be represented as a matrix T, which is diagonalizable, with specific values on the diagonal (0, 1, -1). The confusion arises regarding the distinction between diagonalization and orthonormalization, particularly in how matrices are manipulated in each process. Examples illustrate that while some bilinear forms yield matrices with 1's on the diagonal, others, like -xy, lead to complications due to the nature of real numbers. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding these mathematical concepts clearly.
yifli
Messages
68
Reaction score
0
According to duality principle, a bilinear function \theta:V\times V \rightarrow R is equivalent to a linear mapping from V to its dual space V*, which can in turn be represented as a matrix T such that T(i,j)=\theta(\alpha_i,\alpha_j). And this matrix T is diagonalizable, i.e., \theta(\alpha_i,\alpha_i)=0,1,-1.

I don't understand how come \theta(\alpha_i,\alpha_i)=-1
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi yifli! :smile:

yifli said:
According to duality principle, a bilinear function \theta:V\times V \rightarrow R is equivalent to a linear mapping from V to its dual space V*, which can in turn be represented as a matrix T such that T(i,j)=\theta(\alpha_i,\alpha_j). And this matrix T is diagonalizable, i.e., \theta(\alpha_i,\alpha_i)=0,1,-1.

I don't understand how come \theta(\alpha_i,\alpha_i)=-1

That -1 arises because the real numbers are not algebraically closed. In the complex numbers, we have that T is diagonalizable with 0 or 1 on the diagonal.

Basically, saying that theta is diagonalizable is equivalent to picking an orthogonal base for theta. Let's pick an example:

\theta(x,y)=xy

This is a bilinear form and the following base is orthogonal: v=(5,0), w=(0,10). However, we can normalize this by doing:

\frac{v}{\sqrt{\theta(v,v)}}

This yields the base (1,0), (0,1). So we have a diagonalizable matrix with 1's on the diagonal.

However, let's pick

\theta(x,y)=-xy

this is a bilinear form. An orthogonal base for this is again v=(1,0), w=(0,1). However, for this we have

\theta(v,v)=-1

So if we try to normalize this, we get

\frac{v}{\sqrt{\theta(v,v)}}=\frac{v}{\sqrt{-1}}

but this cannot be in the real numbers. It is possible in the complex number, however, and this yields the orthonormal base (-i,0),(0,-i). The norms for this basis are 1, thus we get the matrix with 1's on the diagonal.
 
Last edited:
Uhm, are you guys confusing the terms "diagonalizable" and "orthonormalizable", or is it me, the one confused? When you diagonalize a matrix, don't you multiply on the left and right with a matrix and it's inverse? Instead, in orthonormalization, don't you multiply on the left and right with a matrix and it's transposed? (that's exactly what happens in Micromass's last example)
 
Petr Mugver said:
Uhm, are you guys confusing the terms "diagonalizable" and "orthonormalizable", or is it me, the one confused? When you diagonalize a matrix, don't you multiply on the left and right with a matrix and it's inverse? Instead, in orthonormalization, don't you multiply on the left and right with a matrix and it's transposed? (that's exactly what happens in Micromass's last example)

Indeed, I've edited my post. Sorry yifli!
 
I am studying the mathematical formalism behind non-commutative geometry approach to quantum gravity. I was reading about Hopf algebras and their Drinfeld twist with a specific example of the Moyal-Weyl twist defined as F=exp(-iλ/2θ^(μν)∂_μ⊗∂_ν) where λ is a constant parametar and θ antisymmetric constant tensor. {∂_μ} is the basis of the tangent vector space over the underlying spacetime Now, from my understanding the enveloping algebra which appears in the definition of the Hopf algebra...

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
8K