Diagrams for nucleon scattering

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Feynman diagrams for nucleon-nucleon scattering, specifically in the context of interactions involving complex and real scalar fields. Participants explore the validity of different diagrammatic representations and the underlying principles governing these interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes an alternative Feynman diagram for nucleon scattering and questions its feasibility based on the interaction term ψ*ψΦ.
  • Another participant explains that the vertex involves a dotted line for the meson and incoming and outgoing fermion lines, noting that contractions of two fermions yield zero, thus limiting the diagrams to two at tree level.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the terminology of fermions, questioning whether complex field particles are also classified as fermions.
  • Another participant clarifies that nucleons, such as protons and neutrons, are Dirac fermions within the effective theory being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the limitations of the diagrammatic representations at tree level, but there is some confusion and debate regarding the classification of particles and the terminology used.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of particles and the nature of the interaction terms, which may not be universally applicable or defined in the same way by all participants.

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According to Tong there are two Feynman diagrams for nucleon-nucleon scattering in the interaction of the complex and real scalar fields, but I can draw another diagram where the p1 and p2 particles enter a vertex and the p1' and p2' particles go out of another vertex (linked to the first one by a dotted real-field line, of course). Why is this diagram impossible?

I think it is because the interaction term is ψ*ψΦ, so every vertex requires a real field particle plus either a particle going in and an antiparticle going out or an antiparticle-particle pair both going out or going in. Is that so?
 
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The vertex consists of a dotted line, representing the meson and in incoming and an outgoing fermion line (representing ##\psi## and ##\bar{\psi}##). Now connecting two points stands for contractions. The contraction of two ##\psi##'s or two ##\bar{\psi}##'s gives 0. So you can connect fermions only in the proper sense of the arrows. So there are indeed only two diagrams at tree level (consisting of two vertices). So your assumption is correct.
 
vanhees71 said:
The vertex consists of a dotted line, representing the meson and in incoming and an outgoing fermion line (representing ##\psi## and ##\bar{\psi}##). Now connecting two points stands for contractions. The contraction of two ##\psi##'s or two ##\bar{\psi}##'s gives 0. So you can connect fermions only in the proper sense of the arrows. So there are indeed only two diagrams at tree level (consisting of two vertices). So your assumption is correct.

Thanks for your answer. Just a little doubt: I don't understand why are you talking about fermions. I thought fermions were the particles of the Dirac field. Did you think I was talking about Yukawa theory or are complex field particles also called fermions?
 
Well, I thought you talk about nucleons, i.e., protons and neutrons. A particle's name includes all its properties, and nucleons are Dirac fermions in the effective theory described in your source.
 

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