Did David Hilbert beat Einstein to Relativity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the contributions of David Hilbert and Albert Einstein to the development of the theory of relativity, specifically focusing on the timeline of their work and the nature of their respective formulations. Participants explore the historical context, the derivation of field equations, and the implications of Hilbert's action in relation to Einstein's work.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Historical
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention that Hilbert and Einstein were working independently on relativity, with credit going to Einstein due to the timing of publication.
  • There is a claim that the Hilbert action was received first, leading to discussions about the implications of this timing.
  • Some participants argue that the main debate lies in the field equations, which may be derived from the Hilbert action.
  • It is noted that Einstein initially did not prioritize derivation from an action, which influenced how he formulated the field equations.
  • One participant summarizes that Hilbert's action had restrictions that made it non-covariant, while Einstein's field equations were fully covariant but not derived from Hilbert's action initially.
  • There is a suggestion that Hilbert recognized the covariant nature of the equations after seeing Einstein's work, leading to a shift in understanding.
  • A question is raised about the seriousness of Hilbert's initial restrictions and whether they could be considered merely gauge fixing or if they resulted in incorrect equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the timeline and the nature of the contributions from Hilbert and Einstein. There is no consensus on the significance of Hilbert's restrictions or the correctness of his initial formulations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the derivation of field equations and the historical context, suggesting that there may be unresolved aspects regarding the mathematical steps and definitions involved in their discussions.

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Heard that from one of my math teachers. He said that they were both independently working on relativity but because einstein's mail got to the publishers first, he got the credit for it.
 
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Hmmm, so it seems that there is no debate that the Hilbert action was first (as judged by date of receipt)?

The only debate is about the field equations, which can be derived from the Hilbert action?
 
atyy said:
Hmmm, so it seems that there is no debate that the Hilbert action was first (as judged by date of receipt)?

The only debate is about the field equations, which can be derived from the Hilbert action?

That is my understanding. However, it is also my understanding that Einstein initially did not care for derivation from an action, and such an approach had no part in how he derived the field equations. Since the variation of the action is not trivial (though it may seem so decades later), there is also no evidence that Hilbert wrote down field equations before Einstein.

I think a fair summary might be:

1) Hilbert first wrote a correct action, but attached restrictions to it that made it not a covariant theory.

2) Einstein first wrote the field equations (with fully covariant treatment), but did not know, they could be derived from the Hilbert action.

3 Seeing Einstein's final covariant field equations, Hilbert realized they could be derived from his action, and the whole approach made covariant.

4) Later, Einstein accepted the superiority of deriving the field equations form an action.

Also obvious is that Hilbert was able to contribute as he did only by virtue of the presentations Einstein gave him.
 
PAllen said:
That is my understanding. However, it is also my understanding that Einstein initially did not care for derivation from an action, and such an approach had no part in how he derived the field equations. Since the variation of the action is not trivial (though it may seem so decades later), there is also no evidence that Hilbert wrote down field equations before Einstein.

I think a fair summary might be:

1) Hilbert first wrote a correct action, but attached restrictions to it that made it not a covariant theory.

2) Einstein first wrote the field equations (with fully covariant treatment), but did not know, they could be derived from the Hilbert action.

3 Seeing Einstein's final covariant field equations, Hilbert realized they could be derived from his action, and the whole approach made covariant.

4) Later, Einstein accepted the superiority of deriving the field equations form an action.

Also obvious is that Hilbert was able to contribute as he did only by virtue of the presentations Einstein gave him.

How serious were Hilbert's initial restrictions that made the theory non-covariant - could they be seen as just gauge fixing? Or do they lead to equations that are simply incorrect?
 

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