Did Einstein Discover the Theory of Relativity

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The discussion centers on the question of whether Einstein truly discovered the Theory of Relativity, exploring the contributions of other scientists and the historical context surrounding the development of the theory. Participants examine the roles of figures like Lorentz and Galileo, and the implications of their work in relation to Einstein's contributions.

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  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the common attribution of the Theory of Relativity solely to Einstein, asking who else may have contributed and why he is credited.
  • One participant notes that Einstein was the first to reject the idea of a fixed ether for light propagation, leading to the conclusion that time and space are relative.
  • Another participant highlights that the concept of relative velocity has roots in Galileo's work, who demonstrated that forces depend on acceleration in a closed carriage.
  • Some argue that while Lorentz made significant contributions, Einstein was the first to integrate these observations into a coherent overall theory of relativity.
  • A later reply cites Lorentz's own words, suggesting that the theory of relativity is fundamentally Einstein's work, independent of prior theories.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of sources that dispute Einstein's contributions, with some participants dismissing such claims as coming from "anti-Einstein crackpot websites."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent of Einstein's originality in the Theory of Relativity, with some acknowledging contributions from others like Lorentz while emphasizing Einstein's unique formulation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise nature of credit for the theory.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of contributions and the historical context of the development of relativity, as well as the varying interpretations of the significance of prior work by other scientists.

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I read somewhere recently that Einstein did not discover the Theory of Relativity. If he didn't, who did? And why is Einstein given credit for the Theory of Relativity?
 
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nauj said:
I read somewhere recently that Einstein did not discover the Theory of Relativity. If he didn't, who did? And why is Einstein given credit for the Theory of Relativity?
Einstein was the first one to point out the futility of relegating the propagation of light to a fixed ether. He realized that we could assume that light propagates at c in any Inertial Reference Frame. As a result, time and space become relative in his theory. No one else was quite ready to promote those concepts. Who knows if anyone else would have if Einstein hadn't!
 
nauj said:
I read somewhere recently

Where?

It's always helpful to give the source, so people can address specific points that it makes.
 
I would also like to point out that, in the truest sense, the idea that "velocity is relative to some external frame of reference" goes back to Gallileo. He demonstrated that any force felt by a person riding inside a carriage depends upon acceleration. In a closed carriage moving a perfectly constant velocity, a rider would not be able to determine his speed not whether he was moving at all.

Einstein extended that to include electro-magnetic forces, that Gallileo did not know about.
 
jtbell said:
Where?
I don't think we want to go there. Dollars to doughnuts the OP read that from some anti-Einstein crackpot website.

nauj, there are legitimate priority concerns with respect to who discovered special relativity. Lots of people were working on the problem; it was after all one of the most central issues in physics at the end of the 19th century. The name for the transformation that relates time and velocity to two different observers is the Lorentz transformation, not the Einstein transformation.

That said, none of those other people working on the problem came anywhere close to Einstein's elegant and simple formulation. That work is his and his alone. The only place you'll see that disputed is at anti-Einstein, anti-relativity crackpot websites. We don't countenance such websites here.
 
nauj said:
I read somewhere recently that Einstein did not discover the Theory of Relativity. If he didn't, who did? And why is Einstein given credit for the Theory of Relativity?
For special relativity, Lorentz came pretty close. Einstein was the first to describe how the observations made by Lorentz and others fit into coherent overall theory.
 
.Scott said:
For special relativity, Lorentz came pretty close. Einstein was the first to describe how the observations made by Lorentz and others fit into coherent overall theory.
From the article Jorriss cited in post #2, here's what Lorentz himself had to say:
I considered my time transformation only as a heuristic working hypothesis. So the theory of relativity is really solely Einstein's work. And there can be no doubt that he would have conceived it even if the work of all his predecessors in the theory of this field had not been done at all. His work is in this respect independent of the previous theories.

What Einstein did was to completely overturn the conventional view on space and time. All of those others working on the problem at the same time just couldn't give up the idea of absolute Euclidean space and absolute time. They looked at the problem as being one of somehow explaining how the speed of light appears to be the same to all observers. Einstein's simple assumption that the speed of light is the same to all observers wasn't simple at all. It meant taking on a radically different geometric view of the very nature of space and time.
 

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