Did Sarah Palin cost the GOP control of the Senate?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the impact of Sarah Palin on the Republican Party's control of the Senate, particularly in the context of the 2010 elections. Participants explore the relationship between Palin, the Tea Party movement, and the GOP's electoral outcomes, examining both historical and contemporary perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that Sarah Palin discredited the GOP and contributed to the loss of Senate control by endorsing unqualified candidates.
  • Others contend that the Tea Party's rise was due to perceptions of government overreach rather than the economic collapse, suggesting that the movement sought to reform the GOP from within.
  • A participant recalls that many prominent Republicans withdrew their support for McCain after Palin was selected, indicating a loss of confidence in the campaign.
  • Some express the view that blaming Palin for the GOP's Senate losses overlooks the complexities of entrenched incumbents and the quality of candidates in primaries.
  • There is a suggestion that if McCain had won the presidency, the Tea Party might not have emerged, as the conditions that fostered its growth are tied to perceptions of government spending and growth.
  • Participants discuss the potential for different outcomes had the GOP fielded stronger candidates against Democrats, particularly in reference to specific races like those in Nevada and Alaska.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the extent of Palin's impact on the GOP or the Tea Party's motivations. Multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the causes of the GOP's electoral challenges.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on subjective perceptions of political events and candidate qualifications, with participants acknowledging the complexity of electoral dynamics without resolving the underlying uncertainties.

  • #31
WhoWee said:
:rolleyes:If you want to gag - watch this.

http://my.barackobama.com/Nov4thThankYou

Seems like a standard thank-you video to those that helped the democratic campaigning? A little BS-sentimental stuff at 2:00 but other than that I don't see it as in poor taste or over the top. Do you? And why?
 
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  • #32
Hepth said:
Seems like a standard thank-you video to those that helped the democratic campaigning? A little BS-sentimental stuff at 2:00 but other than that I don't see it as in poor taste or over the top. Do you? And why?

I don't view it as being in poor taste or over the top - just disconnected from reality. He's still talking about re-making the country into his ideal - the election message clearly didn't penetrate his camp.
 
  • #33
WhoWee said:
I don't view it as being in poor taste or over the top - just disconnected from reality. He's still talking about re-making the country into his ideal - the election message clearly didn't penetrate his camp.

I don't think that was addressed to the entire population; and I didn't get from it that he has some ill-conceived notion of the majority of voters still supporting democrats in the house (in the face of the election).

I think it'd be much worse if all of a sudden his message was "We lost quite a few seats in the house this election, so we're going to change our core ideals to better fit the population in the losing districts in effort to gain more votes." Could you imagine the tearing apart he'd receive? Both from the right (recall "flip flopper"), and from the left seeing him as abandoning what they stand for in effort to gain some seats. A sell-out.

I think it was exactly what needed to be said to his core supporters, no more, no less.
 
  • #34
Hepth said:
I don't think that was addressed to the entire population; and I didn't get from it that he has some ill-conceived notion of the majority of voters still supporting democrats in the house (in the face of the election).

I think it'd be much worse if all of a sudden his message was "We lost quite a few seats in the house this election, so we're going to change our core ideals to better fit the population in the losing districts in effort to gain more votes." Could you imagine the tearing apart he'd receive? Both from the right (recall "flip flopper"), and from the left seeing him as abandoning what they stand for in effort to gain some seats. A sell-out.

I think it was exactly what needed to be said to his core supporters, no more, no less.

If you recall, I posted something to the effect of - if you want to gag - watch this...
 

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