Did supernovae have anything to do with the solar creation?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between supernovae and the formation of the solar system, exploring whether supernovae played a role in the creation of the solar system and the origins of elements within it. The scope includes theoretical considerations, potential mechanisms of star formation, and evidence from meteorites.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that supernovae can trigger the collapse of gas clouds, potentially initiating star formation.
  • Others argue that not all solar systems require a supernova for their formation, as other mechanisms like expanding HII regions and strong stellar winds can also lead to star formation.
  • One participant mentions that the elements found in the solar system likely originated from the proto-planetary disk, which may have included materials from supernovae.
  • Another participant highlights that elements from AGB stars and isotopic anomalies in meteorites, such as Al-26, provide evidence for the influence of supernovae on the solar system's formation.
  • There is a discussion about the Allende meteorite, which contains isotopic signatures that may indicate an extrasolar origin, possibly linked to a nearby supernova.
  • One participant raises the question of whether the Allende meteorite could provide evidence for a supernova that triggered the solar system's formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the role of supernovae in solar system formation, with some supporting the idea that they are significant while others propose alternative mechanisms. The discussion remains unresolved with respect to the definitive role of supernovae.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on various assumptions about the processes involved in star formation and the interpretation of isotopic data from meteorites. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the specific contributions of supernovae versus other stellar phenomena.

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Some of my friends claim that the solar creation had something to do with a supernova. I have no idea about that. Can you please explain?

Thanks
 
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A supernova can cause a shock that compresses nearby gas and can kick start other star formation.
 
Thanks Kurdt
So that means not all the solar systems need a supernova to be formed?
 
pixel01 said:
Thanks Kurdt
So that means not all the solar systems need a supernova to be formed?


Nope. SN can trigger the collapse of the cloud, but other mechanism can do that too. Like expanding HII regions, strong stellar winds etc.
 
or the formation of other star clusters
 
Thank you all for the helps.

I have one more question and I think it's not worth to open a new thread.

In our solar system, we can see all kinds of elements and these elements probably rooted from the proto-planetary disk. So the interstelar gas which formed the disk must contain these elements and it must have been the products of certain supernovae in the ancient universe.
I am right ?
 
well yes. And aslo from stellar winds from AGB stars etc. And aslo if our solar system was formed by a SN triggered the collapse, elements from it should have been injected. Evidence for this is the existence of the short lived Al-26, which we can traces from in very old meteroties. This is called "Isotopic anomalies in meteroties", and I have written an essay about this in my "Nuclear astrophysics course".

send me a PM if you are intressted in reading it :)
 
Theory requires some kind of 'kick' to start nebula collapse into star system(s), a super nova would generate a pressure wave, which would provide such a 'kick', but is there any evidence?

The Allende meteorite might tell us something about the formation of the Solar System.

The Allende meteorite also contains fine-grained, microscopic diamonds with strange isotopic signatures that point to an extrasolar origin; these interstellar grains are older than the Solar System and probably the product of a nearby supernova.
The proposed supernova seems to have been dated just before the Solar System formed, as in this Nature article:
The extensive investigation of the Allende meteorite has provided much new information on the early history of our Solar System. The findings include small but significant anomalies of the isotopic composition for several elements which are clearly not due to any of the processes hitherto known to cause such variations (see ref. 1 for review). These anomalies seem to confirm the reality of astrophysical concepts developed since the classical paper of Burbidge et al. 2 on the different modes of origin of the nuclei. Evidence has also been found which points to the possible presence in Allende of pre-solar condensates. Jessberger and Dominik3 have presented data to support an earlier result4 according to which the 40Ar gas retention ages of some white inclusions from Allende exceed the canonical age of the Solar System. These gas retention ages were obtained by 40Ar−39Ar dating, however, and are therefore based on the assumption that the 39K/40K ratio in the inclusions is identical to that used in the reference standard. In view of the far-reaching implications of finding in meteorites solid matter pre-dating by roughly 500 Myr the condensation of the Solar System we have attempted to verify this assumption. This is especially important because the Allende inclusions contain elements with an anomalous isotopic composition.
If there was indeed a Allende meteorite Super Nova, could it have been the one that triggered our own Solar System's formation? It is an intriguing possibility.

Garth
 
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http://eaa.crcpress.com/default.asp

search for "Allende meteorite".
 

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