Difference between A and B irreps

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The discussion revolves around the differences between one-dimensional irreducible representations (irreps) A and B in group theory, particularly in the context of the D_2 point group. Participants explore the implications of symmetry under rotation and the character table associated with these irreps.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that irrep A is symmetric under rotation about the principal axis, while irrep B is antisymmetric, but questions the character of B1 being 1 under the principal rotation.
  • Another participant suggests that clarity on the specific group being discussed could improve the responses, referencing the need for specific sources.
  • A participant confirms the discussion is about the D_2 group and notes that the equivalence of the three axes complicates the identification of a principal axis.
  • Further clarification is sought on why the three axes in the D_2 group are considered equivalent, with a participant suggesting that if the z-axis is chosen as the principal axis, B1 behaves like A2.
  • Another participant explains that all axes in the D_2 group are two-fold, indicating that the choice of the unique z-axis is subjective, contrasting this with higher-order groups like D_3 and D_4 where a principal axis is more clearly defined.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the identification of the principal axis and the implications for the behavior of the irreps, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity in defining the principal axis in the D_2 group and the implications for the characterization of irreps, which may depend on the chosen axis.

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In my understanding, in group theory the one-dimensional irrep A differs from the one-dimensional irrep B in the symmetry under rotation about the principal axis: A is when the state is symmetric and B is when the state is antisymmetric under that rotation. However, I find in the character table of point group D that B1 has a character of 1 under the principal rotation operation while B2 and B3 have a character of -1.
Why the irrep is called B1 even though it has a character of 1 when rotated about the principal axis?
 
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You will get improved answers if you can tell us what you are reading, exactly e.g., Foobar and Flatwheel, Chap 5, p. 96 ( This is meant to be an example only)
 
Do you mean the group D_2?

There are three B irreps there. I think because it is not clear what the principal rotation axis is: the three axes are equivalent.
 
ngonyama said:
Do you mean the group D_2?

There are three B irreps there. I think because it is not clear what the principal rotation axis is: the three axes are equivalent.
Thanks for the reply.. Yes, I meant D_2 group.. But why are the 3 axes equivalent? I thought the rule is that one principal axis in the system is chosen to define the properties of the irreps. Say we choose the z-axis to define the principal axis, B1 behaves like A2
 
Well, they are all two-fold axes. So, which one you choose to be the unique z-axis is really up to you. In groups like D_3 D_4 that is not so because one is a three- or fourfold and perpendicular to that you have twofolds. So then you should pick the higher order axis to be the main z-axis.
 

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