Difference between algebra and module?

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The discussion centers on the differences between algebra and module, exploring their definitions, relationships, and examples. Participants examine the theoretical aspects of these mathematical structures, including their properties and the contexts in which they are used.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that an algebra is a vector space with a multiplication operation, while a module is a vector space over a ring, extending the concept from fields.
  • Others argue that every algebra over a ring is indeed a module over that ring, and clarify that a module over a field is equivalent to a vector space.
  • A participant notes that a module is defined as something that an algebra or ring acts on as endomorphisms, suggesting that an algebra can be considered a module since it acts on itself through multiplication.
  • There is a contention regarding whether every vector space qualifies as a module, with some participants asserting that a vector space must be defined in relation to a module, while others challenge this view.
  • Examples are provided, such as the set of all polynomials over the real numbers being an algebra that is not a module, and a specific construction of pairs over integers mod 4 being a module that is not an algebra.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to specify what a vector space is a module for, indicating that a vector space can represent multiple modules depending on the context.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of tangent vector fields as a module over the ring of functions on a manifold, contrasting it with exterior forms as an algebra.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between algebra and module, with no consensus reached on whether an algebra can be considered a specific type of module. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitions and implications of these mathematical structures.

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Some definitions and examples provided may depend on specific mathematical contexts or interpretations, and there are unresolved questions about the nature of modules and their relationship to vector spaces.

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Obviously having been assigned two different terms indicates these two objects are different but as far as I know,
algebra: vector space with the multiplication which takes two elements in vector space and give another in vector space
module: vector space over ring(extending from field)

hmm... i guess what i want to know is "is algebra an example of module?"
in addition could you sort of give me an example or otherwise so that I can concretely distinguish the two?

I appreciate your help!
 
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Algebra is a term used in very general situations.

But in the more common usage you describe, yes, every algebra over a ring is a module over that ring.


As for the vector space / module thing, the correct fact is

a module over a field is a vector space;

"module" is the general term; "vector space" is the special case.
 
A module is something that an algebra (or ring) acts on as endomorphisms. An algebra is a module, since the algebra acts on itself by mutliplication.

Modules, in general, need not be defined over a field, vector spaces usually are required to be over a field.

A module for the ring Z is just an abelian group, for example. A module for a field, F, is the same as a vector space over that field. But for more complicated objects, whilst a module for an algebra is a vector space, not every vector space is a module, and part of the definition is the action of the algebraic gadget. So a module is not just a vector space, it is one with extra structure.
 
Hmm. Not every vector space is a module? What definition of module do you go by?
 
precondition said:
Obviously having been assigned two different terms indicates these two objects are different but as far as I know,
algebra: vector space with the multiplication which takes two elements in vector space and give another in vector space
module: vector space over ring(extending from field)
That pretty much says it all. In an "algebra" we have a vector space with a multiplication of vectors defined. In a "module" there is not necessarily any such multiplication defined. I don't see why you would think that being "over a ring" rather than "over a field" would suddenly create a multiplication operation!

hmm... i guess what i want to know is "is algebra an example of module?"
No, an algebra is still defined over a field, not a ring.

in addition could you sort of give me an example or otherwise so that I can concretely distinguish the two?

I appreciate your help!
The set of all polynomials over the real numbers is an algebra that is not a module.

The set of all pairs (x,y) with addition defined by (x,y)+ (u,v)= (x+u,y+v), x, y, u, v all members of Z4 (integers mod 4) is a module that is not an algebra.
 
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Hmm. Not every vector space is a module? What definition of module do you go by?

I realize I phrased this poorly - I even said that every vector space over F is a module for F. Linear algebra is just the representation theory of a field. Let me try to say it properly: a module is a module for something. A vector space alone is not a module - you need to say what it is a module for, or over. For instance C is a rank two module over R, or rank one over C: you need to say more than 'is a vector space is a module'. A vector space is a module in more than one way - infinitely many in fact. Uncountably infinitely many. It is a module for a proper class of non-isomorphic objects in fact.
 
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multiplication.

tangent vector fields are a module over the ring of functions on a manifold, while the exterior forms are an algebra.

if R is a commutative ring, and S is any ring, a ring map R-->S with image in the center of S, makes S an R algebra.

If G is an abelian group, then S = End(G) is a ring, and an R algebra structure R-->S in this case, makes G an R module.

I.e. an R module struture on G, is an R algebra structure on End(G).

is this right matt? (I am not the specialist here.)
 

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