Difference in potential between point charges

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The discussion revolves around calculating the difference in electric potential between two points due to a point charge, utilizing the concept of path integrals. The original poster presents their understanding of the problem and attempts to apply relevant equations related to electric potential and electric fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the potential difference using the path integral approach but expresses uncertainty about the concept of path integrals. They outline their calculations for points A and B and seek confirmation on their steps.
  • Some participants question the necessity of calculating work first and whether it is possible to directly find the potential using the integral of the electric field.
  • There is a clarification regarding the constant k in the context of the electric potential equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and clarifying concepts related to electric potential and work. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of line integrals to calculate potential differences, but no consensus has been reached on the approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are discussing the implications of using a path integral in the context of electric potential, and there is some ambiguity regarding the constants and terms used in the equations. The original poster assumes zero potential at infinity, which is a common assumption in such problems.

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Homework Statement



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With a point charge at the origin, calculate the difference in potential of point B relative to point A using the path integral.

Homework Equations



As I recalled, to find the electric potential difference, Vab = - ∫ E ° dl (° = dot product)
Potential difference for point charge: V = Q/ 4πεr
Vab = Vb - Va
Electric field for point charge should be, E = Q/4πε(R^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



I am not sure what is meant by path integral. But I will try to do it but not sure the correctness:
Since there is one point charge, and it is located at the origin. SO
V = -∫E°dl = -∫(Q/4πε(R^2) ) dr

V = Q/4πεR + C

I assume zero potential at infinity. If V(∞) = 0 , C = 0.

At point A, potential difference will be:
|r - r1| = |(0,0,0) - (1,0,0)| = |(-1,0,0)| = 1
V(1,0,0) = [1/ 4π(10^-9 /36π) ] *[q/1]

At point B, potential difference will be:
|r - r2| = |(0,0,0) - (-2,0,0)| = |(2,0,0)| = 2
V(-2,0,0) = [1/ 4π(10^-9 /36π) ] * [q/2]So for the difference in potential of point B relative to point A using the path integral, I just do V(-2,0,0) - V(1,0,0)?

Please tell me if I am doing the correct step. This is very important. Thank you
 
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You get the work as the negative potential difference, but calculate it with the line integral this case. Integrate the electric field strength between the points along any line. (A straight line is the simplest).

What do you mean on [1/ 4π(10^-9 /36π) ]? Is it k=9.10^9? ehild
 
yea , that is k. And why do we need to find W first? Can we just find V by using V=-∫E.dl ?
 
I meant work on unit positive charge: ∫E.dl=-ΔV

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