Different approximations of Compton scattering equation

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The discussion revolves around the Compton scattering equation, specifically focusing on the change in frequency of low energy photons scattered by ultrarelativistic electrons. Participants are examining the relationship between various parameters in the equation and how to simplify it under certain conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to simplify the Compton scattering equation for low energy photons and ultrarelativistic electrons. There is a focus on evaluating the expression (Ω'-Ω).β and its implications in the context of the equation. Questions arise regarding the correctness of algebraic expansions and the compatibility of different forms of the equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on algebraic manipulation and the evaluation of vector expressions. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between different forms of the equation, with no explicit consensus reached on the compatibility of the expressions. The discussion remains productive as participants clarify their understanding and seek further elaboration.

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Participants are working under the assumption that low energy photons can be approximated in the context of Compton scattering, and there is a focus on the implications of ultrarelativistic conditions for electrons. The discussion includes considerations of algebraic manipulation and vector calculus.

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Homework Statement



Show that, for low energy photons scattered by ultrarelativistic electrons, the cange in frequency of the photon is given by

(v'-v) / v = [(Ω'-Ω).β] / [1-Ω'.β]


Homework Equations



The full/general form of Compton scattering is given by

v'/v = (1-Ω.β) / [(1-Ω'β) + hv/(γmc2) (1 - Ω.Ω') ]

where v is photon frequency
m is electron mass
β is electron velocity divided by c
c is speed of light
γ is Lorentz factor
Ω is unit vector of propagation of the photon

and primed quantities are those quantities after scattering

The Attempt at a Solution



I have attempted the following. For low energy photons, hv << mc2 so that reduces the equation to

v'/v = (1-Ω.β) / (1-Ω'β)

or (v'-v)/v = [ (1-Ω.β) / [(1-Ω'β) ] - 1

For ultra-relativistic electrons, velocity is almost c, so β = 1 but looking at the target answer it is not helpful to remove β from the equation.

I think maybe I am missing something to do with vectors. How do I properly evaluate (Ω'-Ω).β ?

Is it just (Ω'-Ω).β = Ω'.β - Ω.β ?
 
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ck99 said:
How do I properly evaluate (Ω'-Ω).β ?

Is it just (Ω'-Ω).β = Ω'.β - Ω.β ?
Right. The scalar product and vector addition are distributive.

(v'-v)/v = [ (1-Ω.β) / [(1-Ω'β) ] - 1 is identical to the given formula, just written in a different way.
 
Hi mfb and thanks very much for your response. Just to clarify, when you say "Right." do you mean

1) Right, you have not expanded the brackets correctly

2) Right, you have expanded the brackets correctly

If I was any sort of mathematician I am sure I would be able to tell which you mean, but I'm not, and I can't!

If I have expanded the brackets correctly, I can't see how the two versions of the expression are compatible. I have three or four pages of algebra here, trying to make it work, but I must be missing something. If I am incorrect in the expansion, could you elaborate on how it should b done properly?
 
Right, is it just (Ω'-Ω).β = Ω'.β - Ω.β

Start with [ (1-Ωβ) / [(1-Ω'β) ] - 1
write 1 as (1-Ω'β)/(1-Ω'β) and combine the fractions:
(1-Ωβ-(1-Ω'β)) / (1-Ω'β)
Simplify, using (Ω'-Ω).β = Ω'.β - Ω.β:
((Ω'-Ω)β) / (1-Ω'β)
Done.
 
Ah, thanks! I as trying Taylor expansions and all sorts of things. I think it was the second step I was missing.

Cheers!
 

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