Different definitions of acids/bases

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The discussion revolves around the various definitions of acids and bases, specifically focusing on Bronsted-Lowry, Arrhenius, and Lewis theories. Participants explore the implications and applications of these definitions in chemistry, questioning the necessity of multiple frameworks.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between Lewis and Bronsted definitions, questioning if a Lewis acid could be considered a Bronsted base and vice versa.
  • Another participant states that adding a Lewis acid to water lowers the pH, suggesting that Lewis acids also produce hydrogen ions, similar to Bronsted-Lowry acids.
  • Some participants indicate that Bronsted-Lowry theory seems sufficient for understanding acids and bases, raising questions about the necessity of Lewis theory.
  • It is noted that Lewis theory is more broadly applicable, allowing for the analysis of reactions that do not involve proton transfer, thus expanding the definition of acids and bases.
  • One participant acknowledges the complexity and potential confusion of the various definitions but emphasizes the importance of not getting bogged down by them.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and utility of the Lewis definition compared to Bronsted-Lowry theory. There is no consensus on whether one definition is superior or if all are needed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of Bronsted-Lowry theory in accounting for certain reactions, suggesting that the definitions may depend on specific contexts or types of reactions being considered.

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I am having some difficulty in understanding the reason for the various types of acids/bases, of which i refer to bronsted-lowry, arrehenius, and lewis acids/bases. A bronsted acid donates an H+ and a bronsted base accepts a H+. However, a lewis accept acceps an e- pair and a lewis base donates an e- pair. This seems contradictory, is a lewis acid a bronsted base and lewis base a bronsted acid? What is the purpose of this, why isn't there a single definition of an acid and base.
 
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Generally speaking, something is an acid if you add it to water and it lowers the pH. Clearly, an arrhenius or bronsted-lowry acid does this - they simply donate a proton.A lewis acid also does the same thing through the reactions;

X + H2O -> X-OH2 -> X-OH + H+

So we see a lewis acid also produces a hydrogen ion.
 
I am still not clear on how lewis bases/acids work, or why we need them. It seems that bronsted works just fine
 
Well, if you add a lewis acid to water, the pH goes down. Bronsted Lowry theory does not account for that. So SOMETHING new was needed.

Lewis acid/base theory is also more generally useful as you'll (possibly) find out in organic and inorganic chem.
 
Woopydalan said:
"This seems contradictory, is a lewis acid a bronsted base and lewis base a bronsted acid?"

Not quite. A Lewis base is also a BL base but Lewis acids don't have to be BL acids. In Lewis theory, we focus on the electron pair. In BL theory, we focus on the hydrogen proton (H+).

Woopydalan said:
I am still not clear on how lewis bases/acids work, or why we need them. It seems that bronsted works just fine

In organic chemistry, we generally are trying to find where the electron/s wants to go. What Lewis theory allows us to do is expand our definitions beyond transfer of just H+. So now we can treat reactions that do not involve proton transfer (BL theory) as acid-base reactions with Lewis theory. Thus we have increased the number of acid species available to work with based on the definition provided by Lewis Theory.

I do agree with you on how the definitions can be tedious or seem whimsical at times. It's important not to get slowed down by them though.
 
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