Differential equation---a conceptual problem

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The discussion revolves around a conceptual problem in differential equations, specifically regarding the interpretation of certain expressions and notations used in the context of differentiation. Participants are trying to understand the implications of the equations presented in the notes, particularly the meaning of terms like dX = dx + 0 and dT = dt + 0.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the meaning of the notation used in the notes, particularly the implications of differentiating constants and the vanishing of certain terms. There is confusion about the transition from standard differentiation to the shorthand notation presented.

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Some participants have offered insights into implicit differentiation and the reasoning behind the notation, while others continue to express confusion about the concepts being discussed. Multiple interpretations of the notation and its implications are being explored.

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There is a mention of the original poster's limited experience with differentiation, which may be influencing their understanding of the material. The discussion also highlights a potential gap in foundational knowledge regarding derivatives of constants.

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Homework Statement


I am reading a note on differential equation.There is a point that I don't understand,hopefully someone can explain
(Please see the attched)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


The notes wrote " a1t + b1 x + c1 = a1T + b1X
a2t + b2t + c2 = a2T + b2X

the following sentence dX =dx + 0 and dT = dt+0
What does it mean?
I guess it was something like dX/dT = d(x+ħ)/d(t+τ)?But then I have no idea.This is the first time I have met this kind of case...
Can someone explain,thx so much
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davon806 said:

Homework Statement


I am reading a note on differential equation.There is a point that I don't understand,hopefully someone can explain
(Please see the attched)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


The notes wrote " a1t + b1 x + c1 = a1T + b1X
a2t + b2t + c2 = a2T + b2X

the following sentence dX =dx + 0 and dT = dt+0
What does it mean?
I guess it was something like dX/dT = d(x+ħ)/d(t+τ)?But then I have no idea.This is the first time I have met this kind of case...
Can someone explain,thx so muchView attachment 90144

It says to choose ##\tau## and ##\eta## such that ##\bar{x} = x + \eta## and ##\bar{t} = t + \tau## obey the two equations you wrote above. That tells you how to find ##\tau## and ##\eta##, and since the ##a_i## and ##b_i## are constants, so are ##\tau## and ##\eta##. Thus, ##d \bar{x} = dx + d \eta = dx##, because ##d \eta = 0## (##\eta## is a constant).
 
But why does dn = 0? I have only learned dy/dx,I don't know what does it mean when they are separated(and so I post this thread :/)...
 
davon806 said:
But why does dn = 0? I have only learned dy/dx,I don't know what does it mean when they are separated(and so I post this thread :/)...

You don't know why the derivative of a constant is zero? Go back to your elementary calculus notes!
 
Yes,I understand dy/dx = 0 if y is a constant.But the note said dy = 0,so the bottom dx is vanished,and that's make me confused
 
davon806 said:
Yes,I understand dy/dx = 0 if y is a constant.But the note said dy = 0,so the bottom dx is vanished,and that's make me confused

I don't see any ##y## or ##dy## anywhere in the note.
 
Sorry,I mean d(something)
From the notes:
dX = dx + 0,dT = dt + 0

The problem is that I don't know what's going on because usually when you differentiate a function,say y = x^2,you write:
dy/dx = d(x^2)/dx = 2x ,the Leibniz's notation is written as dy/dx.In my notes,just like dX = dx + 0,and the "denominator" in the standard dy/dx notation vanishes,so that's why I don't understand the statement above.
 
davon806 said:
Yes,I understand dy/dx = 0 if y is a constant.But the note said dy = 0,so the bottom dx is vanished,and that's make me confused

Writing it this way is a shorthand called implicit differentiation. You have:
\bar x = x + \eta; \frac{d \bar x}{d x} = 1 + 0
Now multiply through by dx and write:
d \bar x = dx + 0

After a bit of practice, you just skip the intermediate step and write immediately:
d \bar x = dx + 0
 
Thx
 

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