Differential equation first, first degree help

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation involving first-degree terms, specifically the equation x.dy + y.dx + (x.dy - y.dx)/(x^2 + y^2) = 0. Participants are exploring methods to determine if the equation is exact and discussing the implications of manipulating the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to verify if the equation is exact by applying the criteria for exactness and simplifying the equation in different ways. They express confusion over obtaining different results from two methods of simplification.
  • Some participants suggest considering integrating factors and discuss how multiplying the equation by a function can alter the derivatives, potentially affecting the exactness of the equation.
  • Another participant introduces a reformulation of the equation using differential forms and suggests a substitution approach.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods and interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding integrating factors and reformulating the equation, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of determining exactness in differential equations and the effects of manipulation on the derivatives involved. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of different methods without arriving at a definitive solution.

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Differential equation first, first degree help!

Homework Statement



solve: x.dy + y.dx + (x.dy - y.dx)/(x^2 + y^2) = 0

Homework Equations



if M.dx + N.dy = 0 has to be exact then

equation 1: partial derivative of M w.r.t y (keeping x constant) = partial derivative of N w.r.t x (keeping y constant)

The Attempt at a Solution



the idea is to find if this equation is exact because once you do that the integration is easy..

but

now i first i simplify the equation by multiplying throughout by (x^2 + y^2)

simplified form: (x^3 + x.y^2 - y).dx + (y^3 + y.x^2 + x).dy = 0
try to check if it satisfies equation 1: partial derivative of M w.r.t y (keeping x constant) = partial derivative of N w.r.t x (keeping y constant)

here M = (x^3 + x.y^2 - y) & N = (y^3 + y.x^2 + x)

we get 2.x.y - 1 is not equal to 2.x.y + 1

now i try another method i.e. group the terms without multiplying throughout by (x^2 + y^2)

simplified equation: [x - (y/(x^2 + y^2))].dx + [y + (x/(x^2 + y^2))].dy = 0
now when we apply equation 1 criteria we get:

partial derivative of M w.r.t y (keeping x constant) = (y^2 - x^2)/(x^2 + y^2)^2 = partial derivative of N w.r.t x (keeping y constant) = (y^2 - x^2)/(x^2 + y^2)^2

my question is - why is it that i am getting the two methods to be different?
 
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eh... anyone? wold really help.. this has been bugging me...
 


Have you seen integrating factors yet? That whole method is based on the idea of multiplying the equation by a function to put it in a 'nice' form. When you have an equation M(x,y)dx + N(x,y)dy=0, multiplying by anything is going to change the derivatives. It's very likely that it will change the partial derivatives of M and N in different ways, which may or may not help you make the equation into an exact equation. For example, if I multiply the equation by x, that's going to change the x partial derivative of N, but it's not going to change the y partial of M.
 


elphin said:

Homework Statement



solve: x.dy + y.dx + (x.dy - y.dx)/(x^2 + y^2) = 0

Homework Equations



if M.dx + N.dy = 0 has to be exact then

equation 1: partial derivative of M w.r.t y (keeping x constant) = partial derivative of N w.r.t x (keeping y constant)

The Attempt at a Solution



the idea is to find if this equation is exact because once you do that the integration is easy ...
Notice that, d(xy) = x.dy + y.dx .

Also, d(y/x) = (xdy - ydx)/x2

So, you can rewrite your equation as: (x2 + y2)d(xy) + x2(d(y/x)) = 0

This suggests that you let u = xy and v = x/y.

Can you take it from here?
 

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