MHB Differential equation - Green's Theorem

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The discussion focuses on solving the initial value problem involving a differential equation using Green's theorem. The user seeks clarification on the limits of integrals and boundary conditions related to the wave equation and a modified equation. Key points include the triangular area chosen for integration, the relationship between wave propagation and the characteristics of the equations, and the implications of boundary conditions at time zero. The conversation emphasizes understanding the setup of integrals and the significance of initial conditions in solving such problems. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities of applying Green's theorem to different differential equations.
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Hey! :o

I want to find the solution of the following initial value problem:
$$u_{tt}(x, t)-u_{xt}(x, t)=f(x, t), x \in \mathbb{R}, t>0 \\ u(x, 0)=0, x \in \mathbb{R} \\ u_t(x, 0)=0, x \in \mathbb{R}$$

using Green's theorem but I got stuck... I found the following example in my notes:
$$u_{tt}-c^2u_{xx}=f(x, t), x \in \mathbb{R}, t>0 \\ u(x, 0)=0, x \in \mathbb{R} \\ u_t(x, 0)=0, x \in \mathbb{R}$$

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$$\iint_{\Omega}[u_{tt}(x, t)-c^2u_{xx}(x, t)]dxdt=\iint_{\Omega}f(x, t)dxdt=\int_0^{t_0} \left (\int_{x_0-ct_0+ct}^{x_0+ct_0-ct}f(x, t)dx\right )dt \tag 1$$

$$\iint_{\Omega}\left [\frac{\partial{Q}}{\partial{x}}-\frac{\partial{P}}{\partial{t}}\right ]dxdt=\int_{\partial{\Omega}}Pdx+Qdt$$

$$Q(x, t)=-c^2u_x \\ P(x, t)=-u_t$$

$$\iint_{\Omega}\left [u_{tt}(x, t)-c^2u_{xx}(x, t)\right ]dxdt=\int_{\partial{\Omega}}\left [-u_t(x, t)dx-c^2u_x(x, t)dt\right ]=\int_{C_1} [ \ \ ]+\int_{C_2} [ \ \ ]+\int_{C_3} [ \ \ ]$$

$(\int_{C_1} [ \ \ ]=cu(x_0, t_0), \int_{C_2} [ \ \ ]=cu(x_0, t_0), \int_{C_3} [ \ \ ]=0)$

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$$\int_{C_3}[-u_t(x, 0)dx-c^2u_x(x, 0)dt], \text{ where } u_t(x, 0)=0, u_x(x, 0)=0$$ $$C_1: x+ct=x_0+ct_0 \Rightarrow dx+cdt=0$$
$$\int_{C_1}(-u_tdx-c^2u_xdt=\int_{C_1}-u_t(-cdt)-c^2u_x\left (-\frac{dx}{c}\right )=\int_{C_1}cu_tdt+cu_xdx=c \int_{C_1}u_tdt+u_xdx=c\int_{C_1}du=c(u(x_0, t_0)-u(x_0+ct_0, 0))\overset{ u(x_0+ct_0, 0)=0 }{ = }cu(x_0, t_0) \tag 2$$ $$2cu(x_0, t_0)=\int_0^{t_0}\int_{x_0-ct_0+ct}^{x_0+ct_0-ct}f(x, t)dx$$

$$u(x_0, t_0)=\frac{1}{2c}\iint_{c(x_0, t_0)}f(x, t)dxdt$$

I got stuck at the following:

Could you explain to me the first graph?? (Wondering)

Why are the limits of the integral at the relation $(1)$ the following: $x_0-ct_0+ct$ and $x_0+ct_0-ct$ ?? (Wondering)

Why does it stand at the relation $(2)$ that $u(x_0+ct_0, 0)=0$ ?? (Wondering)
 

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mathmari said:
Could you explain to me the first graph?? (Wondering)

Hey mathmari! (Mmm)

The first graph shows how the area $\Omega$ is chosen, which is a triangle.

Since we're talking about the wave equation, it makes sense to have 1 point at $(x_0,t_0)$ where a wave would start.
And to let it expand in both directions with speed $c$ for 2 more points at time $t$.
In the negative direction the wave will travel to $x_0 - c(t - t_0)$, while in the positive direction it will travel to $x_0 + c(t - t_0)$. (Thinking)
Why are the limits of the integral at the relation $(1)$ the following: $x_0-ct_0+ct$ and $x_0+ct_0-ct$ ?? (Wondering)

It's how we set up a line integral.
The left side the triangle is given by $x = x_0 - c(t - t_0)$ with $t_0 \le t \le t_1$ for some unspecified $t_1$. (Nerd)
Why does it stand at the relation $(2)$ that $u(x_0+ct_0, 0)=0$ ?? (Wondering)

Because the boundary condition $u(x, 0)=0$ is given for any $x \in \mathbb R$.
That is, at time $t=0$ there is no wave yet. (Wasntme)
 
I like Serena said:
The first graph shows how the area $\Omega$ is chosen, which is a triangle.

Since we're talking about the wave equation, it makes sense to have 1 point at $(x_0,t_0)$ where a wave would start.
And to let it expand in both directions with speed $c$ for 2 more points at time $t$.
In the negative direction the wave will travel to $x_0 - c(t - t_0)$, while in the positive direction it will travel to $x_0 + c(t - t_0)$. (Thinking)
When we don't have the wave equation as for example at the following problem:
$$u_{tt}(x, t)-u_{xt}(x, t)=f(x, t), x \in \mathbb{R}, t>0 \\ u(x, 0)=0, x \in \mathbb{R} \\ u_t(x, 0)=0, x \in \mathbb{R}$$
do we take the points $x_0 - (t - t_0)$ and $x_0 + (t - t_0)$ ?? (Wondering)

I like Serena said:
Because the boundary condition $u(x, 0)=0$ is given for any $x \in \mathbb R$.
That is, at time $t=0$ there is no wave yet. (Wasntme)

Oh yes, you're right! (Blush)
 
For the problem $$u_{tt}(x, t)-u_{xt}(x, t)=f(x, t), x \in \mathbb{R}, t>0 \\ u(x, 0)=0, x \in \mathbb{R} \\ u_t(x, 0)=0, x \in \mathbb{R}$$ do we have the following?? The two characteristics are $x=x_0$ and $x+t=x_0+t_0$.

The region $\Omega$ is the triangle:

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$$\iint_{\Omega}[u_{tt}(x, t)-u_{xt}(x, t)]dxdt=\iint_{\Omega}f(x, t)dxdt=\int_0^{t_0} \left (\int_{x_0}^{x_0+t_0-t}f(x, t)dx\right )dt$$

$$\iint_{\Omega}\left [\frac{\partial{Q}}{\partial{x}}-\frac{\partial{P}}{\partial{t}}\right ]dxdt=\int_{\partial{\Omega}}Pdx+Qdt$$

$$Q(x, t)=-u_t \\ P(x, t)=-u_t$$

$$\iint_{\Omega}\left [u_{tt}(x, t)-u_{xt}(x, t)\right ]dxdt=\int_{\partial{\Omega}}\left [-u_t(x, t)dx-u_t(x, t)dt\right ]=\int_{C_1} [ \ \ ]+\int_{C_2} [ \ \ ]+\int_{C_3} [ \ \ ]$$

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$$C_1: x+t=x_0+t_0 \Rightarrow dx+dt=0 \Rightarrow dx=-dt$$
$$\int_{C_1} \left [-u_t(x, t)dx-u_t(x, t)dt\right ]=\int_{C_1} \left [u_t(x, t)dt-u_t(x, t)dt\right ]=0$$

$$C_2: x=x_0 \Rightarrow dx=0$$
$$\int_{C_2} \left [-u_t(x, t)dx-u_t(x, t)dt\right ]= \int_{C_2} \left [-u_t(x, t)dt\right ]=-\int_{C_2} \left [du\right ]=u(x_0, t_0)-u(x_0, 0)=u(x_0, t_0)$$

$$C_3: t=0 \Rightarrow dt=0$$
$$\int_{C_3} \left [-u_t(x, 0)dx-u_t(x, 0)dt\right ]=0$$

So, we have $$u(x_0, t_0)=\int_0^{t_0} \left (\int_{x_0}^{x_0+t_0-t}f(x, t)dx\right )dt$$

Is this correct?? (Wondering) Could I improve something?? (Wondering)
 

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