Differential Equation of Unknown Type

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation $\displaystyle (x^2+y^3+1)dx+x^4y^2dy=0$. Participants explore the possibility of finding an integrating factor that is a function of just $x$, and they discuss various methods for determining whether the equation is exact or not.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in identifying an exact form for the differential equation.
  • Another participant suggests that a special integrating factor exists that is a function of just $x$.
  • A participant outlines a method for determining if the equation is exact by comparing partial derivatives of $M$ and $N$.
  • There is a proposal to multiply the original differential equation by an integrating factor to make it exact, leading to a new differential equation.
  • Multiple participants provide a specific form for the integrating factor, $\displaystyle e^{-(x^{-3}+4\ln(x))}$ or $\displaystyle \frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}$.
  • One participant calculates the partial derivatives of $M$ and $N$ after applying the integrating factor and finds that they are equal, indicating the equation is exact.
  • There is a suggestion to express the solution in terms of a function $F(x,y)=c$ and to consider integrating $M$ with respect to $x$.
  • Participants discuss the need for appropriate substitutions in the integrals involved in finding the solution.
  • There are inquiries about using integration by parts and suggestions for potential substitutions for the integrals.
  • Some participants express confusion about the integration process and the necessary substitutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of an integrating factor that is a function of just $x$, but there is no consensus on the next steps for solving the integrals or the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various methods for finding integrating factors and determining exactness, but there are unresolved steps in the integration process and varying levels of understanding regarding the necessary substitutions.

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can you help me solve this,

$\displaystyle (x^2+y^3+1)dx+x^4y^2dy=0$

I can't see any particular exact D.E form here. please help.
 
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There is a special integrating factor that is a function of just $x$. Can you find it?
 
MarkFL said:
There is a special integrating factor that is a function of just $x$. Can you find it?

sorry MarkFL, I've already tried everything but still couldn't find something that's familiar to me. :(
 
This is what I was taught as a student:

If $M(x,y)\,dx+N(x,y)\,dy=0$ is neither separable nor linear, compute $$\frac{\partial M}{\partial y}$$ and $$\frac{\partial N}{\partial x}$$. If $$\frac{\partial M}{\partial y}=\frac{\partial N}{\partial x}$$, then the equation is exact. If it is not exact, consider:

(1) $$\frac{\dfrac{\partial M}{\partial y}-\dfrac{\partial N}{\partial x}}{N}$$

If (1) is a function of just $x$, then an integrating factor is given by:

$$\mu(x)=\exp\left(\int\frac{\dfrac{\partial M}{\partial y}-\dfrac{\partial N}{\partial x}}{N}\,dx \right)$$

If not, consider:

(2) $$\frac{\dfrac{\partial N}{\partial x}-\dfrac{\partial M}{\partial y}}{M}$$

If (2) is a function of just $y$, then an integrating factor is given by:

$$\mu(y)=\exp\left(\int\frac{\dfrac{\partial N}{\partial x}-\dfrac{\partial M}{\partial y}}{M}\,dy \right)$$

Based on this, what do you conclude regarding the given problem?
 
MarkFL told you: "There is a special integrating factor that is a function of just x . Can you find it?"

Call that function v(t). Multiplying both sides of your differential equation by that gives
v(x)(x^2+ y^3+ 1)dx+ v(x)x^4y^2dy= 0. The condition that this be "exact" would be (v(x)(x^2+ y^3+ 1))_y= (v(x)x^4y^2)_x
3v(x)y^2= v'(x)x^4y^2+ 4v(x)x^3y^3

Now you can divide through by y to get the differential equation
3v= x^4v'+ 4x^3v

x^4v'= (4x^3- 3)v

A separable equation for v.
 
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I get an integrating factor which is just a function of x to be

$\displaystyle e^{-(x^{-3}+4\ln(x))}$ or $\displaystyle \frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}$ now what am I going to do next?
 
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paulmdrdo said:
I get an integrating factor which is just a function of x to be

$\displaystyle e^{-(x^{-3}+4\ln(x))}$ now what am I going to do next?

Read HallsOfIvy's post.
 

I get an integrating factor which is just a function of x to be

$\displaystyle e^{-(x^{-3}+4\ln(x))}$ or $\displaystyle \frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}$ now what am I going to do next?

multiplying this integrating factor to my orig D.E i get,
$\displaystyle \left(\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^2}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}y^3}{x^4}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}\right)dx+e^{-x^{-3}}y^2dy$

now letting

$\displaystyle M=\left(\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^2}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}y^3}{x^4}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}\right)$

then,

$\displaystyle \frac{\partial M}{\partial y}=3x^{-4}y^2e^{-x^{-3}}$

and letting

$\displaystyle N=e^{-x^{-3}}y^2dy$

then,

$\displaystyle \frac{\partial N}{\partial x}=3x^{-4}y^2e^{-x^{-3}}$

now I have

$\displaystyle \frac{\partial M}{\partial y}=\frac{\partial N}{\partial x}$

which tells us that I have an exact D.E

therefore there exist a Function $F(x,y)=c$ such that,

$\displaystyle\frac{\partial F}{\partial x}=M$ and $\displaystyle\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}=N$

now

$\displaystyle\frac{\partial F}{\partial x}=\left(\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^2}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}y^3}{x^4}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}\right)$

so, $\displaystyle F=\int \left(\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^2}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}y^3}{x^4}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}\right)\partial x$

can you help me continue with the integration? thanks!
 
I would next consider writing:

$$F=\int e^{-x^{-3}}x^{-2}\,dx+\left(y^3+1 \right)\int e^{-x^{-3}}x^{-4}\,dx+g(y)$$

Now what can we do to each integral to get an appropriate differential for the obvious substitutions?
 
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MarkFL said:
I would next consider writing:

$$F=\int e^{-x^{-3}}x^{-2}\,dx+\left(y^3+1 \right)\int e^{-x^{-3}}x^{-4}\,dx+g(y)$$

Now what can we do to each integral to get an appropriate differential for the obvious substitutions?

use integration by parts? Am I right?
 
  • #11
paulmdrdo said:
use integration by parts? Am I right?

Yes, eventually and on the first integral on the right only. But first we need to "fix" the two integrals so that the differentials we need in using an appropriate substitution will be present.
 
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:) :)
 
  • #13
MarkFL said:
Yes, eventually and on the first integral on the right only. But first we need to "fix" the two integrals so that the differentials we need in using an appropriate substitution will be present.

I don't know how to do that fixing of integrals. :confused:
 
  • #14
LATEBLOOMER said:
:confused:

For an integral of the form:

$$\int e^{-x^{-3}}x^n\,dx$$

What would you begin by saying would be a good candidate for a substitution?
 
  • #15
MarkFL said:
For an integral of the form:

$$\int e^{-x^{-3}}x^n\,dx$$

What would you begin by saying would be a good candidate for a substitution?

Sorry, still don't get it.:(
 
  • #16
paulmdrdo said:
Sorry, still don't get it.:(

Don't you think the following substitution would be a good place to start?

$$u=-x^{-3}$$

So, what does your differential then need to be?
 

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