MHB Differential Equation of Unknown Type

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The discussion focuses on solving the differential equation (x^2+y^3+1)dx+x^4y^2dy=0, which is not immediately recognizable as an exact form. A special integrating factor that depends only on x is identified, leading to the derivation of a new equation. The integrating factor is determined to be e^{-(x^{-3}+4\ln(x))}, which transforms the original equation into an exact differential equation. The participants discuss the next steps for integration, suggesting the use of integration by parts and appropriate substitutions to solve the resulting integrals. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly setting up the integrals for successful integration.
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can you help me solve this,

$\displaystyle (x^2+y^3+1)dx+x^4y^2dy=0$

I can't see any particular exact D.E form here. please help.
 
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There is a special integrating factor that is a function of just $x$. Can you find it?
 
MarkFL said:
There is a special integrating factor that is a function of just $x$. Can you find it?

sorry MarkFL, I've already tried everything but still couldn't find something that's familiar to me. :(
 
This is what I was taught as a student:

If $M(x,y)\,dx+N(x,y)\,dy=0$ is neither separable nor linear, compute $$\frac{\partial M}{\partial y}$$ and $$\frac{\partial N}{\partial x}$$. If $$\frac{\partial M}{\partial y}=\frac{\partial N}{\partial x}$$, then the equation is exact. If it is not exact, consider:

(1) $$\frac{\dfrac{\partial M}{\partial y}-\dfrac{\partial N}{\partial x}}{N}$$

If (1) is a function of just $x$, then an integrating factor is given by:

$$\mu(x)=\exp\left(\int\frac{\dfrac{\partial M}{\partial y}-\dfrac{\partial N}{\partial x}}{N}\,dx \right)$$

If not, consider:

(2) $$\frac{\dfrac{\partial N}{\partial x}-\dfrac{\partial M}{\partial y}}{M}$$

If (2) is a function of just $y$, then an integrating factor is given by:

$$\mu(y)=\exp\left(\int\frac{\dfrac{\partial N}{\partial x}-\dfrac{\partial M}{\partial y}}{M}\,dy \right)$$

Based on this, what do you conclude regarding the given problem?
 
MarkFL told you: "There is a special integrating factor that is a function of just x . Can you find it?"

Call that function v(t). Multiplying both sides of your differential equation by that gives
v(x)(x^2+ y^3+ 1)dx+ v(x)x^4y^2dy= 0. The condition that this be "exact" would be (v(x)(x^2+ y^3+ 1))_y= (v(x)x^4y^2)_x
3v(x)y^2= v'(x)x^4y^2+ 4v(x)x^3y^3

Now you can divide through by y to get the differential equation
3v= x^4v'+ 4x^3v

x^4v'= (4x^3- 3)v

A separable equation for v.
 
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I get an integrating factor which is just a function of x to be

$\displaystyle e^{-(x^{-3}+4\ln(x))}$ or $\displaystyle \frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}$ now what am I going to do next?
 
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paulmdrdo said:
I get an integrating factor which is just a function of x to be

$\displaystyle e^{-(x^{-3}+4\ln(x))}$ now what am I going to do next?

Read HallsOfIvy's post.
 

I get an integrating factor which is just a function of x to be

$\displaystyle e^{-(x^{-3}+4\ln(x))}$ or $\displaystyle \frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}$ now what am I going to do next?

multiplying this integrating factor to my orig D.E i get,
$\displaystyle \left(\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^2}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}y^3}{x^4}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}\right)dx+e^{-x^{-3}}y^2dy$

now letting

$\displaystyle M=\left(\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^2}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}y^3}{x^4}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}\right)$

then,

$\displaystyle \frac{\partial M}{\partial y}=3x^{-4}y^2e^{-x^{-3}}$

and letting

$\displaystyle N=e^{-x^{-3}}y^2dy$

then,

$\displaystyle \frac{\partial N}{\partial x}=3x^{-4}y^2e^{-x^{-3}}$

now I have

$\displaystyle \frac{\partial M}{\partial y}=\frac{\partial N}{\partial x}$

which tells us that I have an exact D.E

therefore there exist a Function $F(x,y)=c$ such that,

$\displaystyle\frac{\partial F}{\partial x}=M$ and $\displaystyle\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}=N$

now

$\displaystyle\frac{\partial F}{\partial x}=\left(\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^2}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}y^3}{x^4}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}\right)$

so, $\displaystyle F=\int \left(\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^2}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}y^3}{x^4}+\frac{e^{-x^{-3}}}{x^4}\right)\partial x$

can you help me continue with the integration? thanks!
 
I would next consider writing:

$$F=\int e^{-x^{-3}}x^{-2}\,dx+\left(y^3+1 \right)\int e^{-x^{-3}}x^{-4}\,dx+g(y)$$

Now what can we do to each integral to get an appropriate differential for the obvious substitutions?
 
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MarkFL said:
I would next consider writing:

$$F=\int e^{-x^{-3}}x^{-2}\,dx+\left(y^3+1 \right)\int e^{-x^{-3}}x^{-4}\,dx+g(y)$$

Now what can we do to each integral to get an appropriate differential for the obvious substitutions?

use integration by parts? Am I right?
 
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paulmdrdo said:
use integration by parts? Am I right?

Yes, eventually and on the first integral on the right only. But first we need to "fix" the two integrals so that the differentials we need in using an appropriate substitution will be present.
 
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:) :)
 
  • #13
MarkFL said:
Yes, eventually and on the first integral on the right only. But first we need to "fix" the two integrals so that the differentials we need in using an appropriate substitution will be present.

I don't know how to do that fixing of integrals. :confused:
 
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LATEBLOOMER said:
:confused:

For an integral of the form:

$$\int e^{-x^{-3}}x^n\,dx$$

What would you begin by saying would be a good candidate for a substitution?
 
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MarkFL said:
For an integral of the form:

$$\int e^{-x^{-3}}x^n\,dx$$

What would you begin by saying would be a good candidate for a substitution?

Sorry, still don't get it.:(
 
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paulmdrdo said:
Sorry, still don't get it.:(

Don't you think the following substitution would be a good place to start?

$$u=-x^{-3}$$

So, what does your differential then need to be?
 

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