Differential equation, quantum physics

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to quantum physics, specifically for the function u(r) in the region where r approaches infinity. The original poster presents a specific form for psi(r) and attempts to derive it from the given differential equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the method of solving the differential equation for u(r) and question the appropriateness of using characteristic equations for variable coefficient ODEs. There is also discussion about the relationship between u(r) and psi(r) and how boundary conditions affect the solution.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions and exploring different approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between u(r) and psi(r), but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to solve the differential equation.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the inclusion of terms in the derivation and the application of boundary conditions. Participants express uncertainty about the correct form of the solution and the implications of variable coefficients in the differential equation.

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Homework Statement



Solve for u(r) in the region r>R (i.e r goes towards infinity). Show that psi(r)=(A/r)e^-alpha*r

Homework Equations



\frac{\(d^2u(r)}{dr^2}=\alpha^2u(r)

\(u(r)=\psi(r)*r

The Attempt at a Solution



\frac{\(d^2u(r)}{dr^2}=\alpha^2u(r)\Longleftrightarrow\frac{\(d^2\psi(r)*r}{dr^2}-\alpha^2\psi(r)*r=0\Longleftrightarrow\frac{\(d^2\psi(r)}{dr^2}+\frac{\(2}{r}\psi(r)-\alpha^2\psi(r)=0\Longrightarrow\mbox{characteristical equation}\Longrightarrow

(z^2) + (2/r)z - alpha^2 = 0

which has the roots z = (-1/r) +/- ((1/r^2) + alpha^2 )^(1/2)

This doesn't seem correct. What have I done wrong? (BTW: sorry for not using LATEX everywhere; I didn't have enough time)
 
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Wouldn't it be simpler to just solve for the DE in u(r) first?
 
Sides, characteristic equations cannot be used for ODE-s z with variable coefficients.
 
Gokul43201 said:
Wouldn't it be simpler to just solve for the DE in u(r) first?

Yes, but I cannot see how to get the 1/r term. I only seem to get Ae^-alpha*r (after the boundary condition has been imposed).
 
dextercioby said:
Sides, characteristic equations cannot be used for ODE-s z with variable coefficients.

This was actually something I was thinking of. Makes sense.
 
_Andreas said:
I only seem to get Ae^-alpha*r (after the boundary condition has been imposed).
Is this a solution for u(r) or psi(r)?
 
Gokul43201 said:
Is this a solution for u(r) or psi(r)?

The former I think. Now I didn't substitute psi(r)*r for u(r) as I did in the OP.
 
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_Andreas said:
Yes, but I cannot see how to get the 1/r term. I only seem to get Ae^-alpha*r (after the boundary condition has been imposed).

That's right. So you found the solution for u(r) with the approprioate boundary conditions. To get psi, just divide u(r) by r! \psi(r) = \frac{u(r)}{r} and you are done.
 
nrqed said:
That's right. So you found the solution for u(r) with the approprioate boundary conditions. To get psi, just divide u(r) by r! \psi(r) = \frac{u(r)}{r} and you are done.

It's that simple?! I thought I had to somehow include the r term in the derivation (d^2)/dr^2 :blushing: Well, thanks then!
 

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