Differential equation with integral

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation involving an integral, specifically for the function ## F(b)##. Participants explore methods to simplify and manipulate the equation, considering both theoretical and practical approaches to finding solutions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on solving a complex differential equation that includes an integral term.
  • Another participant suggests differentiating both sides of the equation with respect to ## b ## to eliminate the integral, providing a formula for the derivative of the integral.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the suggestion and shares a simplified version of the equation, but notes the challenge posed by nested functions ## F(g(b)) ## and ## F'(g(b)) ##.
  • One participant simplifies the problem further to a new equation and questions the applicability of delay differential equation frameworks, particularly given that ## g(b) ## is a decreasing function.
  • There is a query about the possibility of obtaining a numerical solution using the ddesd function in Matlab.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the best approach to solving the equation, and multiple competing views and methods are discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention assumptions regarding the nature of the function ## g(b) ##, including its decreasing behavior and potential affine characteristics. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and the implications of these assumptions on the solution methods.

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Readers interested in differential equations, integral calculus, and numerical methods for solving complex mathematical problems may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi,
I was wondering if anyone had some advice on how to solve the following equation for ## F(b)##:
$$ F(g(b)) h(b) + F'(b) s(b) - F(b)h(b) + h(b) + \int_{g(b)}^{b} v(x) F'(x) dx = 0 $$

Any hints on how to tackle this would be highly appreciated. Thank you!
 
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If it's the presence of the integral that throws you off, you can get rid of it by differentiating both sides with respect to b. For the part that is the integral, we have

$$
\frac d{db}\left(\int_{g(b)}^{b} v(x) F'(x) dx\right)
=v(b) F'(b)-
\left(v(x) F'(x))
\right)g'(b)
$$
To see this, let the function ##A## be the antiderivative of the integrand. Then the definite integral is
$$A(b)-A(g(b))$$
We differentiate that wrt b and use the fact that ##\frac {dA(y)}{dy}=v(y) F'(y)## to get the above formula.
 
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Thanks andrewkirk. Doing what you proposed the equation looks nicer, I obtain the following:

$$ F'(g(b)) g'(b) [h(b) - v(g(b))] + F(g(b)) h'(b) + F''(b)s(b) + F'(b) [s'(b) + v(b) - h(b)] - F(b) h'(b) + h'(b) = 0 $$

There is still the issue with those nested function ##F(g(b))## and ##F'(g(b))##. How could I deal with that?
 
I was able to simplify my problem to the following equation:
$$ F(g(b)) - F(b) + F'(b)h(b) + F''(b) s(b) - k = 0 $$
##g(b)## is a decreasing function, k a constant. If necessary, one could also assume that ##g(b)## is an affine function. Does the delay differential equation framework apply here? I'm not sure since g(b) is decreasing. Could one possibly get a numerical solution with the ddesd function in Matlab?
Thanks!
 

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