Differential Equations - first order

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The discussion revolves around a first-order differential equation derived from a function whose gradient and x-coordinate product equals the square root of the y-coordinate multiplied by 5. Participants are tasked with writing the differential equation and finding a particular solution given a specific point on the curve.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the differential equation and the steps to find the general solution. There are questions about the necessity of solving for y and the manipulation of logarithmic expressions.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the steps to take, including how to express logarithmic terms. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the initial condition and the verification of the solution.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with differential equations, and there are indications of assumptions about the manipulation of logarithmic functions and the need for clarity in the solution process.

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Homework Statement



a function has the feature that at any point, the product of its gradient and the x-cordinate is equal to the square root of the y-cordinate multiplied by 5.

Part A: Write out a differential equation that describes the function
Part B: If the curve passes through the point x=7/3, y=2, find the particular solution the differential equation.

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


Right, I am extremely new to differential equations so go easy on me.

What I have done is below, I would be very grateful if someone could check my workings please. Thanks :)

p.s. sorry for the many steps, i like to do every little step

Part A:
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Part B: First I find the general solution
<br /> \begin{eqnarray}<br /> x (\frac{dy}{dx})&amp;=&amp;5\sqrt{y} \\<br /> x \,\, dy &amp;=&amp; 5\sqrt{y} \,\,dx \\<br /> dy&amp;=&amp;5\sqrt{y}x^{-1}\,\, dx \\<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{y}} \,\,dy &amp;=&amp; 5x^{-1} \,\,dx \\<br /> y^{-\frac{1}{2}} \,\,dy &amp;=&amp; 5x^{-1} \,\,dx \\<br /> \frac{1}{5}y^{-\frac{1}{2}} \,\, dy&amp;=&amp;x^{-1} \,\,dx \\<br /> \int\frac{1}{5}y^{-\frac{1}{2}} \,\, dy&amp;=&amp;\int x^{-1} \,\,dx \\<br /> \frac{1}{5}\int y^{-\frac{1}{2}} \,\, dy&amp;=&amp;\int x^{-1} \,\,dx \\<br /> \frac{1}{5}(2y^{\frac{1}{2}})&amp;=&amp;ln|x|+C \\<br /> \frac{2}{5}\sqrt{y}&amp;=&amp;ln|x|+C \\ <br /> \end{eqnarray}<br />

Then the particular solution
<br /> C=\frac{2}{5}\sqrt{y}-ln|x| \\<br /> C=\frac{2}{5}\sqrt{2}-ln(\frac{7}{3}=-0.28 \\<br /> \therefore \frac{2}{5}\sqrt{y}=ln|x|-0.28<br />
 
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FaraDazed said:

Homework Statement



a function has the feature that at any point, the product of its gradient and the x-cordinate is equal to the square root of the y-cordinate multiplied by 5.

Part A: Write out a differential equation that describes the function
Part B: If the curve passes through the point x=7/3, y=2, find the particular solution the differential equation.

Homework Equations


n/a


The Attempt at a Solution


Right, I am extremely new to differential equations so go easy on me.

What I have done is below, I would be very grateful if someone could check my workings please. Thanks :)

p.s. sorry for the many steps, i like to do every little step

Part A:
<br /> \\

Part B: First I find the general solution
<br /> \begin{eqnarray}<br /> x (\frac{dy}{dx})&amp;=&amp;5\sqrt{y} \\<br /> x \,\, dy &amp;=&amp; 5\sqrt{y} \,\,dx \\<br /> dy&amp;=&amp;5\sqrt{y}x^{-1}\,\, dx \\<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{y}} \,\,dy &amp;=&amp; 5x^{-1} \,\,dx \\<br /> y^{-\frac{1}{2}} \,\,dy &amp;=&amp; 5x^{-1} \,\,dx \\<br /> \frac{1}{5}y^{-\frac{1}{2}} \,\, dy&amp;=&amp;x^{-1} \,\,dx \\<br /> \int\frac{1}{5}y^{-\frac{1}{2}} \,\, dy&amp;=&amp;\int x^{-1} \,\,dx \\<br /> \frac{1}{5}\int y^{-\frac{1}{2}} \,\, dy&amp;=&amp;\int x^{-1} \,\,dx \\<br /> \frac{1}{5}(2y^{\frac{1}{2}})&amp;=&amp;ln|x|+C \\<br /> \frac{2}{5}\sqrt{y}&amp;=&amp;ln|x|+C \\ <br /> \end{eqnarray}<br />

Then the particular solution
<br /> C=\frac{2}{5}\sqrt{y}-ln|x| \\<br /> C=\frac{2}{5}\sqrt{2}-ln(\frac{7}{3}=-0.28 \\<br /> \therefore \frac{2}{5}\sqrt{y}=ln|x|-0.28<br />
I'd write ## C = \frac 25 \sqrt 2 - \ln\frac 73##. Don't be so quick to plug things into a calculator.

And you need to solve for ##y##. You should find
$$y = \left(\frac 52 \ln \frac{x}{7/3} + \sqrt 2\right)^2.$$ You can see by inspection that ##y## satisfies the initial condition, and you can differentiate it to verify it satisfies the differential equation.
 
vela said:
I'd write ## C = \frac 25 \sqrt 2 - \ln\frac 73##. Don't be so quick to plug things into a calculator.

And you need to solve for ##y##. You should find
$$y = \left(\frac 52 \ln \frac{x}{7/3} + \sqrt 2\right)^2.$$ You can see by inspection that ##y## satisfies the initial condition, and you can differentiate it to verify it satisfies the differential equation.

Right ok, thanks. I didn't know I needed to solve for y.

Could I right that logarithm as \ln \frac{3x}{7} or is that not allowed because its in the logarithm ?

Thanks :)
 
Yeah, you can write the log that way. It just wrote it that way because it makes it really obvious that when x=7/3, the log vanishes, so y=2.
 
vela said:
Yeah, you can write the log that way. It just wrote it that way because it makes it really obvious that when x=7/3, the log vanishes, so y=2.

Right I see, yeah that makes sense. Thanks :)
 

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