Differential equations substitution method

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves solving the differential equation y' = y + y^3. Participants are discussing the substitution method and its effectiveness in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to substitute y with v and differentiate, leading to the equation dv/(v + v^3) = dx. Some participants question the necessity and effectiveness of the substitution, suggesting it does not simplify the problem. Others propose integrating the equation directly without substitution.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the substitution method and its implications. Some guidance has been offered regarding integration techniques, such as using partial fractions, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a requirement from the professor regarding the substitution, which some participants view as unnecessary. The discussion reflects differing opinions on the value of the substitution in solving the differential equation.

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Homework Statement



y'=y+y^3

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The Attempt at a Solution



I set y=v, dy/dx = dv/dx. Substituted back into original equation ST dv/dx = v + v^3. Cross multiply, then divide yielded dv/(v+v^3) = dx. After that, I have no clue. The book gives the following answer: y^2 = 1/(C(e^-2x)-1)

Any guidance would be appreciated.
 
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You should (saving yourself time) recognise that your first steps would have yielded you exactly nothing, it is like you have just changed a symbol and called "y" "v" instead.

The differential equation part of this is nothing at all really; dy/dx = f(x) or dy/dx = f(y) are nothing different. Just divide by the RHS and mytiply by dx and you will see you have got dx = something involving only y and dy, and so x = the integral of this something. That integration therefore is the hard part, (plus maybe getting the result into nicest form) however you have surely done things like it and know what to do. :smile:

Oops reread your post and apart from the useless renaming y as v you have done what I said. I am sure you previously did harder exercises on this sort of expression than this before. The denominator (v+v3) is a product OK? :wink:
 
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epenguin said:
You should (saving yourself time) recognise that your first steps would have yielded you exactly nothing, it is like you have just changed a symbol and called "y" "v" instead.

The differential equation part of this is nothing at all really; dy/dx = f(x) or dy/dx = f(y) are nothing different. Just divide by the RHS and mytiply by dx and you will see you have got dx = something involving only y and dy, and so x = the integral of this something. That integration therefore is the hard part, (plus maybe getting the result into nicest form) however you have surely done things like it and know what to do. :smile:

Oops reread your post and apart from the useless renaming y as v you have done what I said. I am sure you previously did harder exercises on this sort of expression than this before. The denominator (v+v3) is a product OK? :wink:

The renaming was not "useless" - it was, however, required by our professor. It's easier to do what they ask rather than lose points.
 
cue928 said:
yielded dv/(v+v^3) = dx. After that, I have no clue..


So you have:

[tex]\frac{dv}{v(1+v^2)}=dx[/tex]

So integrate both sides. How about trying partial fractions on the left.
 
cue928 said:
The renaming was not "useless" - it was, however, required by our professor. It's easier to do what they ask rather than lose points.

Any substitution y = v is useless. As epenguin already pointed out, all this does is change any occurrence of y (and dy) with v and dv, to no advantage that I can see.

I can't believe that your professor would require such a useless step.

The original DE can be separated without using this substitution, as
dy/(y^3 + y) = dx

Using jackmell's suggestion, you have
dy/(y(y^2 + 1)) = dx
 
cue928 said:
The renaming was not "useless" - it was, however, required by our professor. It's easier to do what they ask rather than lose points.
I suggest you ask your professor about that. I suspect he/she was referring to a problem where such a substitution did make a difference.
 

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