Differential Geom.: Dual Space Bases for Beginners

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The discussion revolves around the concept of dual spaces in differential geometry, specifically addressing the basis elements used in vector spaces and their duals. Participants explore the definitions and properties of dual bases, and the relationship between vector fields and linear functionals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why the basis for the dual space is represented by the set {dx^μ}, despite understanding the vector space basis {∂/∂x^μ}.
  • Another participant asserts that {dx^μ} is the dual basis and suggests that this can be verified easily.
  • A different participant notes that applying the "d" operator to a coordinate function shows that dx^i corresponds to covector basis functions a^i, which satisfy specific conditions.
  • One participant describes the relationship between vector fields and directional derivatives, explaining how the dx_i's act as linear maps projecting onto coordinates.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the definition of dual space, suggesting that the answer to the original question is "by definition."
  • A participant provides a formal definition of the dual space and explains how the dual basis is represented in relation to linear functionals and integrals.
  • Another participant reiterates the definition of the dual space and poses a question about the functional form of the integral involving the dual basis and vector components.
  • A later reply indicates that one participant has gained understanding from the discussion.
  • One participant expresses unfamiliarity with the integral notation used in the context of dual spaces and requests further elaboration.

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Participants exhibit a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the definitions and properties of dual spaces. While some points are clarified, there remains uncertainty about specific aspects, particularly the integral notation and its implications.

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Some definitions and properties discussed may depend on specific mathematical contexts or assumptions that are not fully articulated in the thread. The discussion includes various interpretations of dual spaces and their bases, which may not align universally.

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I'm a beginner at differential geometry.
I have a problem about dual space. I understand why we use \left\{\frac{\partial}{\partial x^{\mu}}\right\} as the bases in vector space, but I have no idea why
we use \left\{ dx^{\mu} \right\} as the bases of dual space. What is the reason
of using it?
 
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I may not understand you question but

<br /> \left\{ dx^{\mu} \right\} <br />

is the dual basis. This is easy to check.
 
Yea, if you work out the "d" operator applied to a coordinate function x^i, you see that the dx^i are identical to the covector basis a^i, where a^i are just the functions such that a^i(e_j) = delta_ij.
 
The vectors {v_1*,..,v_n*} are the vectors that satisfy the condition:

v_i*(v_i)=1

v_i*(v_j)=0

Given a basis {v_1,..,v_n} .

You can look at the del/delx_j as positions , by using the isomorphism between

vector fields/derivations/directional derivatives, and the direction of the

directional derivatives. Then, if you use the standard (directional) bases

(1,0,0,.)=e_j (e_j is a vector with 1 in the j-th coordinate and is 0 everywhere

else) , the dx_i's are linear maps that project onto the i-th coordinate,

so that dx_i(e_i)=1 , and dx_i(e_j)=0
 
Perhaps it would be helpful if you gave us your definition of dual space. With every definition I've ever seen, the answer to your question is "by definition".
 
Here's the definition I would use: If V is a vector space then the dual space is the set of all linear functionals from V to its underlying scalar field with addtion defined by (f+ g)(v)= f(v)+ g(v) and scalar multiplication by af(v)= f(av).

When we use \{\frac{\partial}{\partial x^\mu}\} as a basis for the vector space, we represent the dual space basis as dx^\nu because the linear functional is really \int \frac{\partial }{\partial x^\mu} dx^\nu.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Here's the definition I would use: If V is a vector space then the dual space is the set of all linear functionals from V to its underlying scalar field with addtion defined by (f+ g)(v)= f(v)+ g(v) and scalar multiplication by af(v)= f(av).

When we use \{\frac{\partial}{\partial x^\mu}\} as a basis for the vector space, we represent the dual space basis as dx^\nu because the linear functional is really \int \frac{\partial }{\partial x^\mu} dx^\nu.

The action of a dual f on a vector v is: f_i v^i where the index i is summed over the dimension of the vector space.

So how would it go when you write it in functional form like you did. Would \int \frac{\partial }{\partial x^\mu} dx^\nu be equal to
\int v^\mu\frac{\partial }{\partial x^\mu} [dx^\nu f_\nu]
or
\int [dx^\nu f_\nu] v^\mu\frac{\partial }{\partial x^\mu}
 
Thanks to you all, I got it^^
 
HallsofIvy said:
Here's the definition I would use: If V is a vector space then the dual space is the set of all linear functionals from V to its underlying scalar field with addtion defined by (f+ g)(v)= f(v)+ g(v) and scalar multiplication by af(v)= f(av).

When we use \{\frac{\partial}{\partial x^\mu}\} as a basis for the vector space, we represent the dual space basis as dx^\nu because the linear functional is really \int \frac{\partial }{\partial x^\mu} dx^\nu.

I must say I've never seen this integral sign before. Can you elaborate on that a little more?
 

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