Connection forms and dual 1-forms for cylindrical coordinate

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The discussion revolves around the computation of connection forms and dual 1-forms for a given frame field in the context of cylindrical coordinates. Participants explore the relationship between the frame field defined in terms of an angle function and its representation in natural coordinates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a solution for the connection forms, stating that ##\omega_{12}=-\omega_{21}=d\psi## and other components are zero.
  • The same participant expresses difficulty in deriving the dual 1-forms from the definition, which is independent of any coordinate system.
  • Another participant questions how to generate 1-forms for a frame field without an associated coordinate system, suggesting that deriving a coordinate system may be necessary.
  • A later reply confirms that the initial answer is mostly correct but emphasizes that the computation should be done in natural coordinates ##x,y##.
  • Another participant provides expressions for the dual 1-forms as ##\theta_1=\frac{xdx+ydy}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}## and ##\theta_2=\frac{-ydx+xdy}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}##, derived from the cylindrical coordinate transformation, while expressing uncertainty about the appropriateness of this approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to compute the dual 1-forms, with some advocating for the use of natural coordinates and others questioning the validity of their methods.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the coordinate systems and the independence of the definitions of dual 1-forms from specific coordinate choices. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct application of definitions in different contexts.

Gene Naden
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I ran across exercise 2.8.4 in Oneill's Elementary Differential Geometry. It says "Given a frame field ##E_1## and ##E_2## on ##R^2## there is an angle function ##\psi## such that ##E_1=\cos(\psi)U_1+\sin(\psi)U_2##, ##E_2=-\sin(\psi)U_1+\cos(\psi)U2##

(where ##U_1##, ##U_2##, ##U_3## are the natural (rectangular) unit vectors)

express the connection form and dual 1-forms in terms of ##\psi## and the natural coordinates x,y."

For the connection forms I get ##\omega_{12}=-\omega_{21}=d\psi## with the other components zero. For the dual 1-forms I had difficulty. The definition of dual 1-forms states they are the 1-forms ##\theta_i## such that ##\theta_i(v)=v\cdot E_i(p)## for each tangent vector v. I have difficulty applying this definition. One reason is that it is independent of any coordinate system.

I noticed that the given frame field matches the frame field of cylindrical coordinates with the angle ##\psi##. So that was my answer, the dual 1-forms of cylindrical coordinates: ##\theta_1=dr## where ##r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}## and ##\theta_2=rd\psi##.

So my question is, is my answer correct? Can I just pick a coordinate system and use it to compute the dual 1-forms?
 
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This is still an open question for me: how do you generate the 1-forms for a frame field when you don't have a coordinate system associated with that field. Perhaps the correct tactic is to somehow derive a coordinate system and then use that set of coordinates to get the 1-forms.
 
Gene Naden said:
So my question is, is my answer correct? Can I just pick a coordinate system and use it to compute the dual 1-forms?
Yes, except the question asks you to do it in the natural coordinates ##x,y##.
 
So I get ##\theta_1=\frac{xdx+ydy}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}## and ##\theta_2=\frac{-ydx+xdy}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}##

I got this from the cylindrical coordinate transformation. I am not sure this is the right approach; it says to use natural coordinates.
 

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