Differential Geometry: Learn Its Importance for Physics

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The discussion revolves around the importance of learning differential geometry in the context of physics. It explores its relevance to various physical theories, the distinction between classical and modern differential geometry, and the implications for both theoretical and applied physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that while differential geometry is foundational for formulating theories of fundamental forces, many calculations in physics do not necessitate a deep understanding of the subject.
  • It is noted that much of physics is applied, and formal study of differential geometry may not be essential for all practitioners.
  • A distinction is made between classical differential geometry, which focuses on curves and surfaces in Euclidean geometry, and modern differential geometry, which extends to Riemannian geometry and is relevant in relativity and spacetime theories.
  • Participants discuss the application of differential geometry in understanding gravity as the curvature of spacetime and in the context of gauge fields for other fundamental forces.
  • There is a concern raised about the appropriateness of emphasizing complex concepts like differential forms to beginners who may not have a strong background in physics.
  • One participant references a source that critiques the perception of differential forms as universally applicable, highlighting the limitations and esoteric nature of differential geometry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of learning differential geometry for various branches of physics. There is no consensus on its importance, with some emphasizing its foundational role and others suggesting it may not be essential for all areas of applied physics.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity and varying applications of differential geometry, noting that its relevance may depend on specific areas of physics and the level of study. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the prerequisites and utility of differential geometry in different contexts.

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How important is to learn differential geometry to do Physics?
 
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This is a difficult question to answer. The theories of all the fundamental forces (gravity, electromagnetism, electroweak, and strong) are formulated using differential geometry, but:

1) many calculation involving these forces do not require much understanding of differential geometry;

2) most of physics is applied physics.

Much of physics does not require formal study of differential geometry. I, howver, enjoy learning about differential geometry because of the subject's intrinsic beauty, and because of its relevance to theoretical physics.
 
It should be pointed out that there are two flavours of differential geometry.

Classic DG originally developed for surveying and engineering applications such as Naval Architecture of hulls.
This flavour is solely concerned with curves and surfaces in Euclidian (3 dimensional) geometry.
It forms a natural extension to vector calculus in the format of grad, div curl etc.

and

Modern DG developed by pure mathematicians. They have extended DG to other geometries, principally Riemannian and reset in the modern parlance of linear algebra.
Applications here have been found in relativity and spacetime theories.

Of course both flavours refer to the same basic theory, but it is important to know the direction of any proposed course in DG.
 
Studiot said:
Applications here have been found in relativity and spacetime theories.

Gravity is curvature of spacetime, but for the electromagnetic, electroweak, and strong forces, gauge fields and field strengths are connections and curvatures of abstract internal spaces.
 
Gravity is curvature of spacetime, but for the electromagnetic, electroweak, and strong forces, gauge fields and field strengths are connections and curvatures of abstract internal spaces.

Yes modern DG is all about forms and spaces. But I wonder the worth of pointing this out in detail to someone just contemplating a DG course, who may not be that much further along in Physics either.

I refer to article 41 of Burke: Applied Differential Geometry : Cambridge University Press.

When not to use forms

It is time to correct the impression I may have given that differential forms are the solution to all mathematical problems………..The formalism of differential forms and the exterior calculus is a highly structured language. This structure is both a strength and a limitation. In this language there are things we cannot say……………I must admit that in several places in this book I first had to work things out in “old tensor”.

Although the source of many useful results, DG has always been considered esoteric. And as the comment working things out in old tensor shows has become even more so.
 

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