Differentiating Kirchoff's voltage law expression

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The discussion revolves around differentiating the expression derived from Kirchhoff's voltage law for a circuit containing a battery, resistor, and capacitor in series. The original poster attempts to show that the rate of change of current with respect to time, di/dt, equals -i/RC.

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  • Participants explore different methods of differentiation, with some suggesting a more direct approach by differentiating the original equation with respect to time rather than substituting variables. Questions arise regarding the treatment of constants and the necessity of certain steps in the differentiation process.

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Participants have provided feedback on the original poster's approach, confirming its correctness while suggesting alternative methods. There is an ongoing exploration of the differentiation process and its implications, with no explicit consensus reached on the preferred method.

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Homework Statement



Differentiate V0 - iR - q/C = 0 to prove that di/dt = -i/RC.

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V0 - iR - q/C = 0
^ derived from previous question for a circuit that had one battery with emf V0, a resistor of resistance R and a capacitor of capacitance C (all in series).
di/dt = -i/RC

The Attempt at a Solution



V0 - iR - q/C = 0
V0 - (dq/dt)R - q/C = 0
V0C - (dq/dt)RC - q = 0
(dq/dt)RC = V0C - q
d/dt((dq/dt)RC) = d/dt(V0C - q)
RC(d/dt(dq/dt) = -dq/dt
RC(di/dt) = -i
di/dt = -i/RC

^ not sure if my maths makes sense (not very good at doing dif/integration when there are multiple variables). I did get the "answer" (which is easy, since its given), but obviously the method's what matters.

Thanks a lot!
 
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It's right but you may have gotten there quicker if you just differentiated this:

V0 - iR - q/C = 0

with respect to time right away. You'll notice the answer is in terms of di/dt so you don't really want to substitute i=dq/dt into that equation.
 
Thanks for the reply.

Do you mean like this?:

V0 - iR - q/C = 0
d/dt(V0 - iR - q/C) = d/dt(0)
d/dt(V0) + d/dt(-iR) + d/dt(-q/C) = 0
0 - R(di/dt) - (1/C)(dq/dt) = 0
-R(di/dt) - (i/C) = 0
di/dt = -i/(RC)

^ I pull out the R and C like they're constants (which I think is correct), and got rid of V0 like you would when you dif a constant.

Edit: I realize the 3rd step isn't required, but just to step it out for myself, I included it.
 
Yes that's right too. I wouldn't have shown so many steps but it's not too different anyway.

V0 - iR - q/C = 0
d/dt (V0 - iR - q/C) = d/dt (0)
-R di/dt - i/C = 0 ;; maybe they want you to say i = dq/dt here
di/dt = - i/(RC)
 

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