Differentiating like vs. opposite charges

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation between like and opposite charges, particularly in the context of particle interactions such as electrons and positrons, as well as neutrinos and antineutrinos. Participants explore whether experiments can discern the nature of these charges based on scattering behaviors and annihilation events, delving into theoretical implications and limitations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if experiments can differentiate between like and opposite charges, specifically in the context of neutrinos and antineutrinos.
  • Another participant asserts that macroscopic observers can determine attraction or repulsion based on the acceleration of particles, but challenges the notion of annihilation being a necessary condition.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of measuring neutrino-neutrino scattering and the applicability of weak hypercharge in comparison to electric charge.
  • There is speculation about whether neutrinos and antineutrinos could annihilate into neutral Z0 "hyper photons" and the implications of energy levels on such processes.
  • Participants discuss the arbitrary nature of the designation of antiparticles and the conditions under which annihilation occurs, emphasizing that annihilation requires two particles.
  • Further discussion includes the high mass of W and Z bosons potentially making annihilation events unlikely, and the energy characteristics of resulting photons from such interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of annihilation events for determining particle identities, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the measurement of neutrino interactions and the theoretical framework surrounding weak hypercharge, as well as the energy constraints affecting annihilation processes.

TEFLing
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Can experiments differentiate like vs. opposite charges?

Two electrons repel, whereas an electron and positron attract. But for macroscopic observers, in the absence of annihilation, could anyone tell whether paths deflected due to attractions or repulsion? Or, is there always annihilation?

Anyway, I'd like to know, whether experiments could discern whether neutrinos and antineutrinos have like or opposite weak force hypercharge, due to the way they scatter from each other... I guess if there was evidence of annihilation events then they would be proven to be different and anti particles?
 
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TEFLing said:
But for macroscopic observers, in the absence of annihilation, could anyone tell whether paths deflected due to attractions or repulsion?
Sure? If they accelerate towards each other they are attracted, if they accelerate away from each other they are repelled.
TEFLing said:
Or, is there always annihilation?
No.
TEFLing said:
Anyway, I'd like to know, whether experiments could discern whether neutrinos and antineutrinos have like or opposite weak force hypercharge, due to the way they scatter from each other
There is no realistic way to measure (or even get) neutrino-neutrino scattering. And the weak hypercharge does not work in the same way the electric charge does.

TEFLing said:
I guess if there was evidence of annihilation events then they would be proven to be different and anti particles?
I don't see why annihilation should prove that. Also, annihilation to what?
 
mfb said:
I don't see why annihilation should prove that. Also, annihilation to what?
Only anti particles can annihilate?

Perhaps they would have to annihilate to neutral Z0 "hyper photons"... ? And perhaps the 90 GeV energy of the Z0 would suppress annihilation events to near impossibility? If so then neutrinos and antineutrinos would be energetically unable to annihilate and could only scatter?

If they could annihilate through a virtual Z0 to photons , they would produce photons of a few eV, visible light to UV??
 
TEFLing said:
Only anti particles can annihilate?
With what? Annihilation is a process that needs two particles.
The designation "antiparticle" is completely arbitrary, we could call all antiparticles particles and all particles antiparticles without changing physics.

TEFLing said:
And perhaps the 90 GeV energy of the Z0 would suppress annihilation events to near impossibility? If so then neutrinos and antineutrinos would be energetically unable to annihilate and could only scatter?
The high mass of W and Z bosons makes the process even less likely, right. Annihilation to photons would give photons with an energy similar to the initial neutrino energy.
 

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