Differentiating polynomial absolute value function

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The discussion revolves around differentiating a polynomial absolute value function, specifically focusing on the inequalities derived from the expression ##f(x) = x^2(1 - x)##. Participants are examining the conditions under which the function is positive or negative, and the implications of including or excluding certain values, such as zero.

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  • Participants explore the inequalities ##x^2(1 - x) \geq 0## and ##x^2(1 - x) < 0##, questioning the treatment of the zero case and the conditions under which the function changes sign. There is also a discussion about the limits at ##x=1## and the derivative's existence at that point.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the treatment of inequalities and the implications of the zero case. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions for the function's positivity and negativity, with no explicit consensus reached on the inclusion of zero in the analysis.

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Participants note that ##x^2 \ge 0## holds for all real numbers, which influences the discussion about the zero case in the context of the inequalities being analyzed.

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Where I solved these equations to find where the function is ##f(x) > 0## and ##f(x) < 0##.

Using ##x^2(1 - x) \geq 0## and ##x^2(1 - x) < 0##

First equation:

##x^2 \geq 0 \implies x \geq 0## and ## 1 \geq x##

Second equation:

##x^2(1 - x) < 0##

##x^2 < 0 \implies x < 0## and ##1 < x##

However, I'm confused why they don't include the zero csae as I have done.

Does someone please know why this is the case?

Thanks!
 
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I would prefer to say that two limits at ##x=1## exist, but are different from the right and from the left. That's a bit more precise than saying it does not exist. Of course, you are right. The derivative at ##x=1## does not exist.

I cannot see where "they" excluded ##x=0##. You can use the product rule for ##y=x^2\cdot |1-x|## at ##x=0.## And for every value except ##x=1.##
 
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ChiralSuperfields said:
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Where I solved these equations to find where the function is ##f(x) > 0## and ##f(x) < 0##.

Using ##x^2(1 - x) \geq 0## and ##x^2(1 - x) < 0##

First equation:

##x^2 \geq 0 \implies x \geq 0## and ## 1 \geq x##

Second equation:

##x^2(1 - x) < 0##

##x^2 < 0 \implies x < 0## and ##1 < x##

However, I'm confused why they don't include the zero case as I have done.

Does someone please know why this is the case?

Thanks!
(Emphasis added by me.)

Those are not equations. They are inequalities and must be treated as such. By the way; ##x < 0## and ##1 < x## is true for no value of ##x##.

Yes, if you have the equation, ##\displaystyle \ x^2(1 - x) = 0\,,\ ## then you can say that ##x^2=0## or ##x=1\ .##

However, these are inequalities . Let's look at the second inequality first.

##\displaystyle \quad \quad \ x^2(1 - x) \lt 0\,\ ##

You have the product of ##x^2## and ##(1-x)## . Your inequality states that this product must be negative.
Hopefully you know that ##x^2\gt 0## for all values of ##x##. so the only way for the product to be negative is for ##(1-x)## to be negative (and for ##x^2\ne 0##). Of course, for ##(1-x)## to be negative, we must have, ##x\gt 1## .

If ##\displaystyle \ x^2(1 - x) \ ## is not negative for some value of ##x##, then it must be positive or zero for that value.
 
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ChiralSuperfields said:
Homework Statement: Please see below
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Second equation:

x2(1−x)<0

x2<0⟹x<0 and 1<x

However, I'm confused why they don't include the zero csae as I have done.
There is not a zero case because ## x^2 \ge 0 ## holds for any ## x \in \mathbb R ##.
 
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