Differentiation application problem

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The problem involves an inverted cone with specific dimensions and the rate at which water is being poured into it. Participants are tasked with determining the rate at which the water level rises when the water depth reaches a certain point, utilizing concepts from calculus, particularly the chain rule.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the radius and height of the cone, and how to express the volume of the cone in terms of height. There are attempts to apply the chain rule to relate the rates of change of volume and height. Some participants question the accuracy of their calculations and seek clarification on the expressions used.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the problem with various participants providing their calculations and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for clarity in presenting equations and expressions. Multiple interpretations of the results are being discussed, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly identifying the dimensions of the cone and the depth of water, as well as the need for complete equations in their workings. There is an emphasis on understanding the application of the chain rule in this context.

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Homework Statement


An inverted cone has a depth of 10cm and a base radius of 5cm. Water is poured into it at the rate of 1.5 cm^3/ min. Find the rate at which level of water in the cone is rising, when the depth of water is 4cm.

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I know that this question requires the application of chain rule. However having only recently studied it, I am yet to fully understand it's application. Therefore looking for an answer which gives a correct approach to such questions.

Thanks.
 
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Shivansh Mathur said:

Homework Statement


An inverted cone has a depth of 10cm and a base radius of 5cm. Water is poured into it at the rate of 1.5 cm^3/ min. Find the rate at which level of water in the cone is rising, when the depth of water is 4cm.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution

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I know that this question requires the application of chain rule. However having only recently studied it, I am yet to fully understand it's application. Therefore looking for an answer which gives a correct approach to such questions.

Thanks.
Well, PF doesn't provide answers to members, only guidance. You must try harder to understand the question.

For example, how would you calculate the volume of water in this cone, given the depth of the water?
 
Ok, so what I've done is this -

In the ques. h=2r or r=h/2
So the formula for volume of cone is written in terms of 'h'.

Now,
dv/dt = 1.5 (given)
And dv/dh is calculated.

Then after applying chain rule, dh/dt comes out to be 3/8π

Now could you please tell me if I'm right?
Thanks
 
Shivansh Mathur said:
Ok, so what I've done is this -

In the ques. h=2r or r=h/2
So the formula for volume of cone is written in terms of 'h'.

Now,
dv/dt = 1.5 (given)
And dv/dh is calculated.

Then after applying chain rule, dh/dt comes out to be 3/8π

Is this (3/8)π or 3/(8π)?
 
Shivansh Mathur said:
Then after applying chain rule, dh/dt comes out to be 3/8π
As SteamKing notes, that is technically (3/8)π, but maybe you did not mean that. Either way, I get a different answer. Please post your working.
 
Volume of cone = 1/3π r2h
r=5 cm. h = 10 cm
r= h/2

1/3π (h2/4) h

πh3/12

dv/dt = 1.5
dh/dt = ?

dv/dt = dh/dt * dv/dh
1.5 = dh/dt * πh2/4

dh/dt = 6/πh2

Now putting h=4,
I got the answer 3/(8π)
 
The height of the cone is not 4 cm, that is the starting depth of the water, and not the height of the cone.
 
Shivansh Mathur said:
Volume of cone = 1/3π r2h
r=5 cm. h = 10 cm
r= h/2

1/3π (h2/4) h

πh3/12

dv/dt = 1.5
dh/dt = ?

dv/dt = dh/dt * dv/dh
1.5 = dh/dt * πh2/4

dh/dt = 6/πh2

Now putting h=4,
I got the answer 3/(8π)
You should write complete equations in your work, rather than isolated expressions.

For example, write

V = πh3/12 rather than just πh3/12

It makes your thoughts much easier to follow in extended calculations.
 

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