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The discussion revolves around differentiation and the application of Newton's Method to approximate roots of functions. The original poster presents multiple problems involving calculus concepts, including finding real zeros, intersection points of curves, and tangent lines.

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Differentiation ---Help, please!

1. Homework Statement
1) Use Newtons Method to approximate the real zero of the function f(x)=x^3 + 7x + 3 = 0

2) The curve y = x^3-2x^2+x-3 intersects the curve y = cos(2x). If x = 1.8 is used as the first estimate then, using Newton's Method, what is the x-value or the intersection point, accurate to 4 decimal places?

3) A curve is given by y = a^3, where a = m^2(2m-1). Approximate the slope of the curve when m = 0.6543

4) If y = -4 / [tex]\sqrt[3]{x+5}[/tex], then dy/dx

5) Find an equation of the tangent line to the graph of f(x) = (x-1) / (x+1) when x = 1

2. Homework Equations
1) Newtons Method:
x = f(x) / f'(x)
Or Slope = Rise/Run

2) Newtons Method
x = f(x) / f'(x)
Or Slope = Rise/Run

3) y = mx+b
derivatives

4) Quotient Rule
(f'g-g'f) / (g^2)

5) Quotient Rule
(f'g-g'f) / (g^2)
y=mx+b

3. The Attempt at a Solution
1) x^3 + 7x = 0
Let the "guess" be "n"
Let the next "guess" to be "n2" (2 was suppose to be a subscript but I can't find it in the Latex Reference)
Slope: derivative of x^3 + 7x = 0
3x^2 + 7 = 0
Rise: Plug in the "n" to the equation
n^3 + 7n = 0
Run: "n" subtract the "n2"
n - n2
Final formula:
3x^2 + 7 = n^3 + 7n / n - n2
*The answer should be this: (I was close but my rise is really off)
The first "n" is suppose to be a lower subscript. I can't find it here in the Latex Reference.
xn +1 = 2x[tex]^{3}_{n}[/tex] -3 / 3x[tex]^{2}_{n}[/tex] + 7

2) x^3 - 2x^2 + x - 3 - cos(2x) = 0
Slope = Rise/Run
Slope: Derivative of x^3 - 2x^2 + x - 3 - cos(2x)
3(1.8)^2 - 4(1.8) + 1 + sin2(1.8)(2)
Rise: Plug in 1.8 to the equation
(1.8)^3-2(1.8)^2 + 1.8 -3 - cos(2(1.8))
Run: 1.8 - x
Final Equation:
3(1.8)^2 - 4(1.8) + 1 + sin2(1.8)(2) = (1.8)^3-2(1.8)^2 + 1.8 -3 - cos(2(1.8)) / 1.8 - x
Simplify: 3.645639188 = -2.846026728 / 1.8 - x
-2.846026728 / 3.645639188 = 1.8 - x
1.8 + 0.780666045 = x
x = 2.680666046
The answer in the book is 2.0923.. So, do you think I should use my "x" to be the second trial and do the whole equation again from the start to get the 2.0923?

3)
a = m^2(2m-1)
(0.6543)^2(2(0.6543)-1))
a= 0.13211428
y = a^3
Therefore...
y = 0.13211428^3
y =0.002305946

I'm stuck. Please help?

4) ((0)([tex]\sqrt[3]{x+5}[/tex])) - ((-4)(1/3(x+5)^-2/3)) / ([tex]\sqrt[3]{x+5}[/tex])^2)
Simplify: ((4)(1/3(x+5)^-2/3) / ([tex]\sqrt[3]{x+5}[/tex])
Then I don't know how to simplify it much longer.. My simplifying skills has gone bad, I guess. Help, please?

5) Get y-value, plug in the x-value which is 1
1-1 / 1+1 = 0
(1,0)
Do quotient rule on the equation...
(1)(x+1) - (x-1)(1) / (x+1)^2
Simplify...
(x+1) - (x-1) / (x^2 + 2x+2)
Plug in the x-value which is 1 to get the slope.
(1+1) - (1-1) / (1^2 +2(1) + 2)
2 / 1+2+2 = 2 / 5
Slope = 2/5

y=mx+b
0 = 2/5(1) + b
0 - 2/5 = b
-2/5 = b
Final equation...
y = 2/5x -2/5

Although it seems like I did everything right, my final equation seems to be incorrect from the answer in the book which is x-2y=1





THAT'S ALL FOR NOW. I'll continue more questions later on if I find any that bugs my mind. But for now, I need to go to church so in the meanwhile, PLEASE HELP? =/
 
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1calculus1 said:
1. Homework Statement
1) Use Newtons Method to approximate the real zero of the function f(x)=x^3 + 7x + 3 = 0

2) The curve y = x^3-2x^2+x-3 intersects the curve y = cos(2x). If x = 1.8 is used as the first estimate then, using Newton's Method, what is the x-value or the intersection point, accurate to 4 decimal places?

3) A curve is given by y = a^3, where a = m^2(2m-1). Approximate the slope of the curve when m = 0.6543

4) If y = -4 / [tex]\sqrt[3]{x+5}[/tex], then dy/dx

5) Find an equation of the tangent line to the graph of f(x) = (x-1) / (x+1) when x = 1

2. Homework Equations
1) Newtons Method:
x = f(x) / f'(x)
Or Slope = Rise/Run
That's the definition of "slope", not "Newtons method". Newton's method says [itex]x_{n+1}= x_n- f(x_n)/f '(x_n)[/itex]

[/itex]2) Newtons Method
x = f(x) / f'(x)
Or Slope = Rise/Run
3) y = mx+b
derivatives

4) Quotient Rule
(f'g-g'f) / (g^2)

5) Quotient Rule
(f'g-g'f) / (g^2)
y=mx+b

3. The Attempt at a Solution
1) x^3 + 7x = 0
Let the "guess" be "n"
Let the next "guess" to be "n2" (2 was suppose to be a subscript but I can't find it in the Latex Reference)
Slope: derivative of x^3 + 7x = 0
3x^2 + 7 = 0
Rise: Plug in the "n" to the equation
n^3 + 7n = 0
Run: "n" subtract the "n2"
n - n2
Final formula:
3x^2 + 7 = n^3 + 7n / n - n2
*The answer should be this: (I was close but my rise is really off)
The first "n" is suppose to be a lower subscript. I can't find it here in the Latex Reference.
xn +1 = 2x[tex]^{3}_{n}[/tex] -3 / 3x[tex]^{2}_{n}[/tex] + 7
You understand, don't you, that a "real zero of the function f(x)=x^3 + 7x + 3 = 0" is a number? Applied to this problem, f(x)= x3+ 7x+ 3 so the derivative is 3x2+ 7. Newton's method says that if xn is a close to a solution then [itex]x_{n+1}= x_n- (x^3+ 7x+ 3)/(3x^3+ 7)[/itex] will be closer. If you take x0= 0, then [itex]x_1= 0- (3/7)= -3/7[/itex] or about -0.4286, then [itex]x_2= -0.4181[/itex], etc.

2) x^3 - 2x^2 + x - 3 - cos(2x) = 0
Slope = Rise/Run
Slope: Derivative of x^3 - 2x^2 + x - 3 - cos(2x)
3(1.8)^2 - 4(1.8) + 1 + sin2(1.8)(2)
Rise: Plug in 1.8 to the equation
(1.8)^3-2(1.8)^2 + 1.8 -3 - cos(2(1.8))
Run: 1.8 - x
Final Equation:
3(1.8)^2 - 4(1.8) + 1 + sin2(1.8)(2) = (1.8)^3-2(1.8)^2 + 1.8 -3 - cos(2(1.8)) / 1.8 - x
Simplify: 3.645639188 = -2.846026728 / 1.8 - x
-2.846026728 / 3.645639188 = 1.8 - x
1.8 + 0.780666045 = x
x = 2.680666046
The answer in the book is 2.0923.. So, do you think I should use my "x" to be the second trial and do the whole equation again from the start to get the 2.0923?
I think what you are doing is using the idea behind Newton's method rather than Newton's method itself: Yes, you are trying to solve [itex]f(x)= x^3- 2x^2+ x- 3- cos(2x)= 0[/itex]. [itex]f '(x)= 3x^2- 4x+ 1+ 2sin(2x)[/itex]. If you choose 1.8 as your x0, then [itex]x_1= 1.8- ((1.8)^3- 2(1.8)^2+ 1.8- 3- cos(3.6))/(3(1.8)^2- 4(1.8)+ 1+ sin(3.6)= 2.1091[/itex], not the "2.6807" you got. Try it again and then continue until you get two consecutive values that are equal to 4 decimal places.

3)
a = m^2(2m-1)
(0.6543)^2(2(0.6543)-1))
a= 0.13211428
y = a^3
Therefore...
y = 0.13211428^3
y =0.002305946

I'm stuck. Please help?
You weren't asked to find y, you were asked to find the derivative of a: use the chain rule: dy/dm= (dy/da)(da/dm). To find da/dm, I think I would go ahead and multiply: a= m2(2m-1)= m3- m2

4) ((0)([tex]\sqrt[3]{x+5}[/tex])) - ((-4)(1/3(x+5)^-2/3)) / ([tex]\sqrt[3]{x+5}[/tex])^2)
Simplify: ((4)(1/3(x+5)^-2/3) / ([tex]\sqrt[3]{x+5}[/tex])
Then I don't know how to simplify it much longer.. My simplifying skills has gone bad, I guess. Help, please?
I think you will find it much easier to write y= -4(x+ 5)-1/3 and use the 'power rule' rather than using the quotient rule.

5) Get y-value, plug in the x-value which is 1
1-1 / 1+1 = 0
(1,0)
Do quotient rule on the equation...
(1)(x+1) - (x-1)(1) / (x+1)^2
Simplify...
(x+1) - (x-1) / (x^2 + 2x+2)
No, (x+1)2 is NOT "x2+ 2x+ 2! I think you would find it better just to leave the denominator as (x+ 1)2.

Plug in the x-value which is 1 to get the slope.
(1+1) - (1-1) / (1^2 +2(1) + 2)
2 / 1+2+2 = 2 / 5
Slope = 2/5
As I said, your denominator is wrong. (1+1)2= 4.

y=mx+b
0 = 2/5(1) + b
0 - 2/5 = b
-2/5 = b
Final equation...
y = 2/5x -2/5

Although it seems like I did everything right, my final equation seems to be incorrect from the answer in the book which is x-2y=1
Yes, see my comments above.





THAT'S ALL FOR NOW. I'll continue more questions later on if I find any that bugs my mind. But for now, I need to go to church so in the meanwhile, PLEASE HELP? =/
 

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