Differentiation under integral sign - one parameter family

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation under the integral sign for a one-parameter family of compact subsets in Minkowski space-time. Participants explore how to compute the derivative of an integral involving a smooth scalar field, specifically the time-time component of the stress-energy tensor, while considering the implications of changing integration domains.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the problem of computing the derivative of an integral over a family of compact subsets, specifically in the context of Minkowski space-time.
  • Another participant suggests that the derivative should be treated as a total derivative rather than a partial derivative, proposing a method using the multivariable chain rule to separate instances of the variable t.
  • A different participant questions whether the boundary integral can be ignored if the integration regions are constant time slices of R^4, suggesting that the time derivative could be pulled inside the integral.
  • One participant agrees that moving the differentiation inside the integral is valid under certain conditions, specifically mentioning the need for absolute convergence of the resulting integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the derivative and the conditions under which it can be moved inside the integral. There is no consensus on the specific conditions required for the validity of these operations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of absolute convergence when moving the derivative inside the integral, but the exact conditions and implications of this requirement remain unresolved.

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Hi guys! Let [itex]\left \{ B_{t} \right \}_{t\in \mathbb{R}}[/itex] be a one - parameter family of compact subsets of [itex]\mathbb{R}^{3}[/itex] with smooth (manifold) boundary (e.g. one - parameter family of closed balls). In my context, each [itex]B_{t}[/itex] belongs to a different constant time slice of Minkowski space - time. How does one compute [itex]\frac{\partial }{\partial t}\int_{B_{t}}f(t,\mathbf{x})dV[/itex]? Again in my context, [itex]f(t,\mathbf{x})[/itex] happens to be [itex]T_{00}(t,\mathbf{x})[/itex], the time - time component of the stress energy tensor and as such this component is assumed to be a smooth scalar field.
 
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Isn't your derivative a Calc I style total derivative as opposed to a partial? Replace the first t by a u and the second t by a v: (the integral over Bu of the function f(v,x).)

Now to calculate the derivative, you set u=t, v=t and use the multivariable chain rule:
d/dt F(u,v) = d/du F (u=t) + d/dv F (v=t)
Sorry about the notation, my keyboard is broken and half the keys don't work :(

This is a simple but handy technical device to separate the two instances of t in the formula.

To account for the change in the domain, you could try to express the change in the domain Bt as B0 + s(t,x)n, where n is the unit outward normal vector on the boundary of B0, and s(t,x) depends on time t and the point x on the boundary of B0. Then when you differentiate with respect to the change in boundary, you will basically be integrating the function s(0,x)*f(0,x) over the boundary surface.
 
Thanks Vargo. That is exactly what wiki does as well apparently. So if instead my integration regions were constant time slices of R^4 itself (so the integration regions would just be R^3 for each time slice) then could I just ignore the boundary integral and simply pull the time derivative inside? Again, thanks for the response I really appreciate it and I might have to ask more once this one is answered if that's ok =D (although they might be a bit physicsy? idk =p)
 
Yes, if your region of integration is constant, then you can just move the differentiation inside. Well, there is a condition that must be met. If, when you move the derivative inside the integral, the resulting integral is absolutely convergent, then the operation is valid. I think that's the rule. I'd have to look it up to be sure.
 

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