Can the differentiation variable be simplified to just one variable?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of a term involving the ratio of two variables, y and u. It explores whether it's possible to simplify the differentiation with respect to the ratio y/u into a single variable. The concept of the directional derivative is introduced, suggesting that one can analyze changes in a function based on the limiting case of the ratio. By defining a vector orthogonal to the constant ratio, the discussion outlines how to compute the derivative using partial derivatives. Ultimately, the conclusion is that the differentiation can be expressed in terms of a single variable under specific conditions.
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I'm working out some problems, and I'm ending up with a term similar to the following:

du/d(y/u)

I'm differentiating with respect to y/u. Both y and u are variables. How can I divide that up to represent differentiation with just one variable (Even if it means expanding the term)?

Is it mathematically possible to do that?

Thanks.
 
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I'm really sure what you're trying to do, but if you have a function f(x,y) and you want to know how f changes in the limiting case with respect to a change in the ratio of y/x, then this is a case for the directional derivative. Note that v = (x, y) is the vector where y/x stays constant, so you'd want to take the vector orthogonal to that; ie, use v = (y, -x). In that case, \nabla_v f(x,y) = \nabla f(x,y) \cdot v
 
Let v= u/y. Then, if f(u,y) is any function of u and y, df/dv= \partial f/\partial u \partial u\partial v+ \partial f/\partial y \partial y/partial v.<br /> <br /> Since, here, v= u/y, so u= yv and \partial u/\partial v= y. Similarly, y= u/v so \partial y/\partial v= -u/v^2= -u/(u^2/y^2)= -y^2/u.<br /> <br /> That is, df/dv= y\partial f/\partial u- (y^2/u)\partial f/\partial y<br /> <br /> And, since here f(u,y)= u, \partial f/\partial u= 1 and \partial f/\partial y= 0 so we have df/dv= y.
 

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