Difficult analysis problem involve supremum and function concepts

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the supremum of a set defined by a function and its relationship to a constant. The function f is evaluated at points a and b, with the goal of showing that f at the supremum of a set A equals a constant c, which lies between f(a) and f(b).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore proof techniques, including proof by contradiction, to establish the relationship between f(u) and c. Questions arise regarding the properties of the function f, such as its continuity and monotonicity, and the implications of these properties on the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the completeness of the problem statement and the assumptions about the function f. Some participants suggest that continuity can be assumed, while others provide counterexamples to challenge the validity of the claim that f(u) equals c.

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Participants note the lack of specific information about the function f, particularly whether it is continuous or monotonic, and the nature of the constant c in relation to f(a) and f(b).

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Homework Statement



f(a) > c > f(b)

A = { x : b > x > y > a implies f(a) > f(y) }

let u = sup(A)

show that f(u) = c

Homework Equations



I have no idea in particular, save for the definition of the supremum:
[tex]\forall x \in A x \le u[/tex]
if [tex]v[/tex] is an upper bound of A, then [tex]u \le v[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



My intuition led me to attempt a proof by contradiction. If you let f(x*) = c, assume that x* < u to arrive at a contradiction. Then assume that x* > u to arrive at a contradiction. Then to conclude that x* must be u. I don't know how to do this, or even if I can/should be done.
 
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anelys said:

Homework Statement



f(a) > c > f(b)

A = { x : b > x > y > a implies f(a) > f(y) }

let u = sup(A)

show that f(u) = c

There must be some information missing. What is [itex]c[/itex], just some random point between [itex]f(b)[/itex] and [itex]f(a)[/itex]? What is known about [itex]f[/itex]? Is it monotonically decreasing? Is it continuous?
 
jbunniii said:
There must be some information missing. What is [itex]c[/itex], just some random point between [itex]f(b)[/itex] and [itex]f(a)[/itex]? What is known about [itex]f[/itex]? Is it monotonically decreasing? Is it continuous?
There is nothing missing from the problem. I guess we can assume that it's continuous. It isn't necessarily a decreasing monotone function. Also, yes, c is any point between f(b) and f(a).
 
anelys said:
There is nothing missing from the problem. I guess we can assume that it's continuous. It isn't necessarily a decreasing monotone function. Also, yes, c is any point between f(b) and f(a).

Well, if that's the case then it's not true.

Let f(x) = -x for all x.

Let a = 0, b = 1, c = -0.5.

Then A = (0, 1), u = sup(A) = 1, but f(u) does not equal c.
 

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