Difficult Problem with Matrices

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving matrices, specifically focusing on a column vector and the properties of a matrix defined in terms of that vector. Participants are exploring the characteristics of the matrix A derived from the vector M and its implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the matrix A based on a column vector, with some attempting to simplify the problem by using a vector of lower degree. Questions arise regarding the computation of A^2 and its relation to the options provided. There is also a consideration of whether to use specific numbers or variables in the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and seeking clarification on their calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the computation of A^2, and there is acknowledgment of progress made by participants in understanding the properties of the matrix for lower dimensions. However, there is no explicit consensus on the general solution or final outcomes.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations and the relevance of different vector dimensions. There are references to specific matrix properties, such as idempotent and involuntary matrices, which frame the problem context.

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Homework Statement
Let M be a colum vector (not a null vector).Let A=(M M^T)/(M^T M)
Then A is
a)involuntary b)nilvoluntary c)identity d)idempotent
Relevant Equations
Idempotent Matrix:A^2=A
Involuntary Matrix:A^2=I
Nilvoluntary Matrix:A^2=0
I assumed a column vector of degree 3 and then calculated A from the given condition.But after solving it i tried to find A2 and then I got stuck as none of the options seem to match.
Please help.
I think i will have to learn LATEX.🙁🙁
 
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Physics lover said:
Homework Statement:: Let M be a colum vector (not a null vector).Let A=(M M^T)/(M^T M)
Then A is
a)involuntary b)nilvoluntary c)identity d)idempotent
Relevant Equations:: Idempotent Matrix:A^2=A
Involuntary Matrix:A^2=I
Nilvoluntary Matrix:A^2=0

I assumed a column vector of degree 3 and then calculated A from the given condition.But after solving it i tried to find A2 and then I got stuck as none of the options seem to match.
Please help.
I think i will have to learn LATEX.🙁🙁
Better to start with vector of degree 2.
 
PeroK said:
Better to start with vector of degree 2.
Ok so I did that but I am still stuck.
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Physics lover said:
ok so I did that but i am still stuck
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/260171
That link leads nowhere. It can't be hard to work it out for a vector ##(a, b)##, surely?
 
That's good so far. Now all you need is ##A^2##.
 
PeroK said:
That link leads nowhere. It can't be hard to work it out for a vector ##(a, b)##, surely?
That's why i deleted it.
I didn't get what you said.Shall i take numbers in matrix instead of variabled?
 
PeroK said:
That's good so far. Now all you need is ##A^2##.
I calculated it but that's not matching with any option.
 
PeroK said:
That's good so far. Now all you need is ##A^2##.
But how will i find A2?
Shall i find out the squares of numerator and denominator separately?
 
  • #10
Physics lover said:
But how will i find A2?
Shall i find out the squares of numerator and denominator separately?
The denominator is just a number. You can leave that outside the matrix. Just square the matrix in the numerator and see what you get.
 
  • #11
PeroK said:
The denominator is just a number. You can leave that outside the matrix. Just square the matrix in the numerator and see what you get.
oh yes I got it.By taking (a2+b2) common I got A2=A.Thanks a lot for the help.And is it correct now?
 
  • #12
Physics lover said:
oh yes I got it.By taking (a2+b2) common I got A2=A.Thanks a lot for the help.And is it correct now?
That proves it for 2x2 matrices.
 
  • #13
PeroK said:
That proves it for 2x2 matrices.
so shall i try for degree 3 too?
 
  • #14
Physics lover said:
so shall i try for degree 3 too?
It's up to you. It's your question!

There might be a quick way to prove that for any vector dimension.
 
  • #15
PeroK said:
It's up to you. It's your question!

There might be a quick way to prove that for any vector dimension.
ok I proved it for degree 3 too.But can you tell me the general solution.
That would be a great help.😊😊
 
  • #16
Physics lover said:
ok I proved it for degree 3 too.But can you tell me the general solution.
That would be a great help.😊😊
I haven't looked for a general solution. It's too much effort!
 
  • #17
PeroK said:
I haven't looked for a general solution. It's too much effort!
ok no problem.
Thanks a lot for the help.
 

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