Dimensional Motion Homework: Find Displacement, Speed, Velocity

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The problem involves a motorist's journey with multiple segments, requiring the calculation of total vector displacement, average speed, and average velocity. The context is dimensional motion, focusing on vector analysis in two-dimensional space.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the breakdown of the journey into vector components and the calculation of displacements for each segment. Questions arise about how to handle vector division and the distinction between distance and displacement.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and seeking clarification on vector calculations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to sum displacement vectors and the difference between average speed and average velocity. There is ongoing exploration of how to compute these values correctly.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the calculations and the relationship between displacement and distance. There are references to specific values from a textbook that participants are trying to reconcile with their own calculations.

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Homework Statement


A motorists drives south at 20.0 m/s for 3.0min, then turns west and travels at 25.0m/s for 2.0min and finally travels northwest at 30.0m/s for 1.00min. For this 6.00 min trip, find:
a)the total vector displacement
b) the average speed
c)the average velocity
Let the positive x-axis point east


Homework Equations



v=deltavectorR/delta-t
vector-v=d-vectorR/dt=dx/dt(i)+dy/dt(j)
vectorR=vectorR(i)+vector-velocity(t)+1/2vector-at^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I drew a diagram, to make the problem clearer. I think t=6min xi=25.om/s. But then I have two y-components

Thanks for your time
 
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How did you approach part a) ?
 
its displacement vector: deltavectorR=vectorR(f)-vectorR(i)

But I don't know how to go about the final and initial displacement. I am confused
 
innightmare said:
its displacement vector: deltavectorR=vectorR(f)-vectorR(i)

But I don't know how to go about the final and initial displacement. I am confused

Find the displacement in the east/west direction... then the north/south direction...

I'd write each displacement as a vector (taking i horizontally, j vertically, positive east and north):

ie: the first part (20*3*60)

\vec{r} = -3600\vec{j}

Does that make sense... same way write all 3 displacements. Then add them.
 
ok, its starting to kick in. now for b): wouldn't average velocity be=my value for deltavectorr/delta t??
 
innightmare said:
ok, its starting to kick in. now for b): wouldn't average velocity be=my value for deltavectorr/delta t??

yes, that would be for average velocity... average speed will be different.
 
OK-so if my displacement are in terms of vectors, then how in the world is b) computed. B/c the average velocity is deltaR/delta t...but my delta-displacement is going to be in vectors. how in the world am i supposed to divide vectors.

also average speed is total distance/delta t.
 
innightmare said:
OK-so if my displacement are in terms of vectors, then how in the world is b) computed. B/c the average velocity is deltaR/delta t...but my delta-displacement is going to be in vectors. how in the world am i supposed to divide vectors.

also average speed is total distance/delta t.

You need to find the total distance travelled. then divide by time.
 
for the total distance do i add the total values given? and what about average velocity?
 
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innightmare said:
for the total distance do i add the total values given? and what about average velocity?

find the distance traveled in each segment and add them up. distance is not displacement. With distance, you're ignoring direction.

Average velocity is the total displacement/time.

Did you calculate the displacement vectors for each section. Add up those vectors and you get the total displacement.

For total distance, you're just adding up numbers, not vectors.
 
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for the average velocity, isn't my displacement in vectors, and if so then how is it divided by time? i did calculate the displacement for each section
 
  • #12
innightmare said:
for the average velocity, isn't my displacement in vectors, and if so then how is it divided by time? i did calculate the displacement for each section

Add up all the displacements of each section... that gives total displacement as a vector... divide that by the total time... we can divide vectors by scalars... time is just a scalar.
 
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OK-Ive added my vectors, but it still hasnt given me the same answers in the book. In the book:a)4.87km at 209 degree from east
b) 23.3 ms
c)13.5m/s at 209
I converted the given values into meters. for instance:{3.0min*60s/min}which then i computed 20.0m/s*180s=-3600
This was what I've done for each one.
then (0,-vt)=(0,-3600)
(v2t2,-vt)= (3000, -3600)
(v3t3)=(-2545.6,3600)

This is the part where i get lost. for vector i=2745.4, j=-3600
If the question asks for total vector displacement, why is the answer 4.87 at an 209 angle

For b) my time would be 6min, but for my total length, would i total my values i converted into meters?

AGAIN-thank you sooooo much for your patience
 
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innightmare said:
OK-Ive added my vectors, but it still hasnt given me the same answers in the book. In the book:a)4.87km at 209 degree from east
b) 23.3 ms
c)13.5m/s at 209
I converted the given values into meters. for instance:{3.0min*60s/min}which then i computed 20.0m/s*180s=-3600
This was what I've done for each one.
then (0,-vt)=(0,-3600)
(v2t2,-vt)= (3000, -3600)
(v3t3)=(-2545.6,3600)

I don't understand your numbers... Are you getting the displacement over each section? For example... 25.0m/s west for 2.0min is a displacement of (-3000,0). How do you get (3000,-3600) ?
 
  • #15
those are my x and y components. I am over-complicated this, arent i
 

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