Dimensionless value to differentiate between concentrated and dispersed

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The discussion focuses on identifying a dimensionless value to differentiate concentrated mass systems, like the solar system, from dispersed mass systems, such as galaxies. Participants propose using a normalized sum of mass multiplied by distance to create a dimensionless metric, suggesting values of 1 for localized objects (e.g., stars) and 0 for diffuse objects (e.g., gas clouds). The conversation emphasizes the challenge of defining such a value without a clear application or purpose, highlighting the need for further elaboration on its intended use.

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Find a dimensionless value to differentiate between concentrated and dispersed mass systems
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Newtonian mechanics
I want to find a dimensionless value that differentiates between concentrated mass systems such as the solar system and dispersed mass systems such as a galaxy. I assume spherical and radial symmetry, consider both the cases for point masses or smooth mass distributions.

The only value I can think of is the sum of multiplying each mass by its distance, but then I have to normalize this by some mass*distance to make it dimensionless.

Is there any other alternative?
 
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For what purpose? It is hard to define such a thing without knowing what it will be used for.
For example: in the absense of elaboration, I offer the following:
1 for localized objects such as stars, and 0 for diffuse objects such as gas clouds.
Fractional values can serve for in-between states, such as rock piles.
 
DaveC426913 said:
For what purpose? It is hard to define such a thing without knowing what it will be used for.
For example: in the absense of elaboration, I offer the following:
1 for localized objects such as stars, and 0 for diffuse objects such as gas clouds.
Fractional values can serve for in-between states, such as rock piles.
Hi Dave,

I need a dimensionless value based of physical parameters to differentiate between concentrated mass systems such as the solar system and dispersed mass systems such as a galaxy.

I do not understand your proposal. Although it is a dimensionless value, how can it be derived from physical parameters?
 

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