Dimensionless value to differentiate between concentrated and dispersed

Click For Summary
A dimensionless value is sought to differentiate concentrated mass systems like the solar system from dispersed systems such as galaxies, assuming spherical and radial symmetry. One proposed method involves calculating the sum of each mass multiplied by its distance, normalized to create a dimensionless metric. The discussion highlights the challenge of defining such a value without a clear purpose, suggesting that localized objects could be assigned a value of 1, while diffuse objects might receive a value of 0, with fractional values for intermediate states. There is skepticism about deriving a dimensionless value from physical parameters, raising questions about its practical application. The conversation emphasizes the need for clarity on the intended use of the proposed dimensionless value.
independentphysics
Messages
26
Reaction score
2
Homework Statement
Find a dimensionless value to differentiate between concentrated and dispersed mass systems
Relevant Equations
Newtonian mechanics
I want to find a dimensionless value that differentiates between concentrated mass systems such as the solar system and dispersed mass systems such as a galaxy. I assume spherical and radial symmetry, consider both the cases for point masses or smooth mass distributions.

The only value I can think of is the sum of multiplying each mass by its distance, but then I have to normalize this by some mass*distance to make it dimensionless.

Is there any other alternative?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
For what purpose? It is hard to define such a thing without knowing what it will be used for.
For example: in the absense of elaboration, I offer the following:
1 for localized objects such as stars, and 0 for diffuse objects such as gas clouds.
Fractional values can serve for in-between states, such as rock piles.
 
DaveC426913 said:
For what purpose? It is hard to define such a thing without knowing what it will be used for.
For example: in the absense of elaboration, I offer the following:
1 for localized objects such as stars, and 0 for diffuse objects such as gas clouds.
Fractional values can serve for in-between states, such as rock piles.
Hi Dave,

I need a dimensionless value based of physical parameters to differentiate between concentrated mass systems such as the solar system and dispersed mass systems such as a galaxy.

I do not understand your proposal. Although it is a dimensionless value, how can it be derived from physical parameters?
 
At first, I derived that: $$\nabla \frac 1{\mu}=-\frac 1{{\mu}^3}\left((1-\beta^2)+\frac{\dot{\vec\beta}\cdot\vec R}c\right)\vec R$$ (dot means differentiation with respect to ##t'##). I assume this result is true because it gives valid result for magnetic field. To find electric field one should also derive partial derivative of ##\vec A## with respect to ##t##. I've used chain rule, substituted ##\vec A## and used derivative of product formula. $$\frac {\partial \vec A}{\partial t}=\frac...