Dirac equation, curved space time

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The discussion revolves around the Dirac equation in the context of curved spacetime, focusing on the role of the spin connection and gamma matrices. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of these concepts, including derivations and assumptions related to the covariant derivative and commutation relations.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in deriving a specific equation involving the spin connection and gamma matrices, questioning the nature of the commutator and seeking qualitative descriptions.
  • Another participant notes that in curved space, gamma matrices are position-dependent and discusses their relationship with the covariant derivative, which includes correction terms for both vector and tetrad indices.
  • A participant references a paper to clarify how to solve for the spin connection, indicating that specific equations in the paper provide guidance.
  • There is a query regarding the assumption that certain terms vanish when specific indices are zero, with a participant seeking validation of their reasoning about the non-zero conditions of certain tensors.
  • Another participant requests further clarification on the definition of the commutator involving the spin connection and gamma matrices, reiterating the relationship between these quantities and the covariant derivative.
  • One participant suggests that the spin connection can be viewed as a gauge field related to local Lorenz transformations, noting its dependence on the metric and vierbeins.

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Participants express various viewpoints and assumptions regarding the mathematical treatment of the Dirac equation in curved spacetime. There is no clear consensus on the validity of certain assumptions or the interpretation of specific equations, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Participants discuss the implications of their assumptions about the non-zero conditions of tensors and the nature of the spin connection without resolving these points. The discussion includes references to specific equations in a paper, but the mathematical steps and definitions remain unresolved.

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Hi when trying to derive this equation, i am stuck on:
[itex][\Gamma_{\mu}(x),\gamma^{\nu}(x)]=\frac{\partial \gamma^{\nu}(x)}{\partial x^{\mu}} + \Gamma^{\nu}_{\mu p}\gamma^{p}[/itex].

This [itex][\Gamma_{\mu}(x)[/itex] term is the spin connection, if this is an ordinary commutator:
a) is it a fermionic so + commutator
b) how can one solve to find the Gamma term whilst cancelling away the
c) can anyone give a qualitative description of what the spin connection is?
thanks
 
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In curved space the gamma matrices are position-dependent, since they obey γμγν + γνγμ = 2 gμν. But we can and do take them to be covariantly constant.

A gamma matrix is a hybrid quantity, having one vector index, and two matrix indices referred to a tetrad basis. The covariant derivative contains a correction term for each index - a Christoffel symbol for the vector index and a spin connection (Ricci rotation coefficient) for each tetrad index.

The equation you wrote is the statement that the covariant derivative vanishes. You can take a look at this paper for more details.
 
Eqs. (8) and (9) in the paper I referred you to shows how to solve for Γμ.
 
thx,

am i right in thinking [itex]\bar{S_{ab}}[/itex] is always equal to zero when b =0 because all my answers involved [itex]\bar{S_{a0}}[/itex] terms?
 
sorry i should explain more,

I assumed that [itex]t^{a}_{b}[/itex] is only non zero if a = b (from 0 to 3). and the same for [itex]t_{ab}[/itex].

If this is correct then all my answers for [itex]w_{abj}[/itex] contain either a =0 and b=1,2,3 or vice versa meaning that when multiplied with [itex]S_{ab}[/itex] then will surely go to zero if [itex]s^{0b} = 0[/itex].
Are any of these assumptions incorrect?
 
Sorry for the thread necro, but could someone please provide more details regarding eqn (8) in that reference, specifically why the commutator of the spin connection with the curved space gamma matrix is defined that way.
 
FunkyDwarf said:
Sorry for the thread necro, but could someone please provide more details regarding eqn (8) in that reference, specifically why the commutator of the spin connection with the curved space gamma matrix is defined that way.

Bill_K said:
A gamma matrix is a hybrid quantity, having one vector index, and two matrix indices referred to a tetrad basis. The covariant derivative contains a correction term for each index - a Christoffel symbol for the vector index and a spin connection (Ricci rotation coefficient) for each tetrad index.

The equation you wrote is the statement that the covariant derivative vanishes.

The covariant derivative of gamma contains a correction term for each index: a Christoffel symbol for the vector index, and a spin connection for each of the two spinor indices.

∂γν/∂xμ + Γνμρ γρ + Γμ γν - γν Γμ

Eq.(8) says that this quantity vanishes (we choose to define our γ's that way) and then the terms are rearranged slightly to make them look like a commutator.
 
It can be regarded as the gauge field generated by local Lorenz transformations. Although we find it is not independent of the metric and must be equal to combinations of vierbeins and their derivatives.

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