Dirac equation for proton/neutron

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The discussion revolves around the incorporation of isospin freedom into the Dirac equation for protons, particularly regarding the transformation of protons into neutrons. It touches on theoretical frameworks such as effective nucleon theories and quantum chromodynamics (QCD), as well as the implications of non-renormalizability in effective field theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that incorporating isospin freedom into the Dirac equation for protons is a relevant question.
  • Others argue that previous attempts to formulate effective nucleon theories have resulted in non-renormalizable models, suggesting a preference for QCD based on quarks and gluons.
  • A participant raises the point that transforming a proton into a neutron involves changing an up quark into a down quark, which necessitates the use of electro-weak theory due to the role of W-bosons in flavor change.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of non-renormalizability, with some questioning whether it is a characteristic of all effective field theories and whether effective theories can be renormalizable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of non-renormalizability in effective field theories, and there is no consensus on whether effective theories must inherently be non-renormalizable.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of effective field theories at high energies and the conditions under which they may still be useful at low energies, but these points remain unresolved.

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Is it possible to incorporate into Dirac equation for proton
the possibility of its transformation into neutron (isospin freedom)?
 
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paweld said:
Is it possible to incorporate into Dirac equation for proton
the possibility of its transformation into neutron (isospin freedom)?
There were attempts to formulate (effective) nucleon theories, but all these theories turned out to be non-renormalizable. One must use QCD based on quarks and gluons instead. But turning a proton into a neutron (an u- into a d-quark) requires electro-weak theory as only W-bosons change flavours.
 
Tom,

I was thinking about this question and found this older post.
Isn't non-renormalisability quasi a charateristic of any effective field theory?
Of course we expect divergences when the energy becomes comparable to the binding energy of the quarks, but this does not mean that effective field theories for the proton might not be usefull at low energies.
 
DrDu said:
Isn't non-renormalisability quasi a charateristic of any effective field theory?
I am not so sure about that; non-renormalizability is acceptable (not acceptable) for effective theories (fundamental theories); but uis it necessary the case that effective theories must be non-renormalizable? or let's ask the other way round: what would it mean to have a renormalizable effective theory?
 

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