Is the Direct Product of Groups Associative and Have an Identity Element?

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The discussion centers on proving the properties of the direct product of groups, specifically associativity, the existence of an identity element, and the right inverse. It is established that the direct product is associative because the binary operations of the groups G and H are associative. The identity element of the direct product can be represented as the pair (e, f), where e and f are the identity elements of G and H, respectively. However, there is confusion regarding the right inverse, as the speaker struggles to determine it without knowing the specific binary operations. Clarification is provided that the elements of G x H are derived from the elements of G and H, not their binary operations.
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Prove G X H is a group.
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So I that I need to prove the axioms: associativity, existence of the identity element, and existence of the right inverse.

For associativity I know that the binary operations of G and H have to already be associative, and the elements of G X H are made up of these binary operations, so therefore it is associative?

For identity element let G have identity element e, and H have identity element f, can the identity element of G X H have the set (e,f), so that if (x,y) are included in G X H then (e,f) * (x,y) = (x,y) = (x,y) * (e,f)?

For the right inverse I am stuck, I don't know how to find it without knowing what the binary operations actually do.
 

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Remember that G and H are groups, so you know that they each have an identity element and inverses for their respective operations. That should be enough. You don't need to know anything more about them.
 
joelkato1605 said:
For associativity I know that the binary operations of G and H have to already be associative, and the elements of G X H are made up of these binary operations, so therefore it is associative?

I think you might know what you're trying to say, but the words here are wrong. The elements of GxH are not made up of the binary operations on G and H, they are made from elements of G and H.

I think it is a good exercise to actually write down (ab)c and show how it transforms into a(bc) step by step.
 
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