Direction and magnitude question again

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the magnitude and direction of the electrostatic force on charges placed at the corners of a square. Each charge is -6mC, and the square has a side length of 0.1m. Participants are attempting to determine the forces acting on each charge due to the others.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the forces between the charges using Coulomb's law and breaks them into components. There are questions about the inclusion of all relevant forces, particularly F13, and how to correctly compute the resultant forces.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the calculations and components of the forces. There is a recognition of the need to include all forces acting on a charge, and some participants express confusion about their results compared to expected values. Guidance is offered regarding the calculations, but no consensus is reached on the final answer.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the setup of the problem, including the nature of the charges (positive vs. negative) and the distances used in calculations. Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as stated, with no additional information provided.

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Homework Statement


A charge of -6mC is placed at each corner of a square .1m on a side. Determine the magnitude and direction of the force on each charge.
upper left is 1, bottom left is 2 upper right is 4 bottom right is 3
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Homework Equations


F=k (Q1Q2)/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution


sigh I am back again..
I start with F12 so i did:
9 X 10^9(6 X 10^-3 X 6 X 10^-3/.1^2) and i got
3.24 X 10^7

since all the charges are the same the answer is going to be the same for all the charges so F14 is also 3.24 X 10^7.

Now i break F12 into x and y components:
since 1 and 2 is repulsive there is no x component so the y component is is +3.24 X 10^7N

as for F14 there is no y component so x is -3.24 X 10^7.

now i do resultant formula:
total x is -3.24 X 10^7 and total y is +3.24 X 10^7
so the resultant should be... 4.58 X 10^7 right the book get the answer as 2.96 X 10^7

where did i go wrong?
 
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You didn't do F13.
 
F13 affects it too??! wow how did i miss that ok so i do F13 is the same thing but the x and y comps are different:
3.24 X 10^7cos45=2.3 X 10^7
3.24 X 10^7sin45=2.3 X 10^7

the x component is negative and the y is positive since its moving north west..
now total x is -5.72 X 10^7 and total y is 5.53 X 10^7 then i do resultant formula and i get... 7.95 X 10^7 argghh what did i do wrong books answer is 2.96
 
excelsion said:
F13 affects it too??! wow how did i miss that ok so i do F13 is the same thing but the x and y comps are different:
3.24 X 10^7cos45=2.3 X 10^7
3.24 X 10^7sin45=2.3 X 10^7

the x component is negative and the y is positive since its moving north west..
now total x is -5.72 X 10^7 and total y is 5.53 X 10^7 then i do resultant formula and i get... 7.95 X 10^7 argghh what did i do wrong books answer is 2.96

For F13 the total force is not 3.24x10^7... because the r isn't 0.1.

Still the force is going to be higher... does it say 2.96x10^7, or 2.96x10^8?
 
its 10^7
and i did the F13 over:
9 X 10^9(6 X 10^-3 X 6 X 10^-3/.14^2) and i get 1.63 X 10^7
find the component:
1.63 X 10^7cos45=1.15 X 10^7
1.63 X 10^7sin45=1.15 X 10^7

now the total X is
-1.15X10^7 + 0 + -3.24X10^7 = -4.39 X 10^7

total y is
1.15X10^7 + 0 + 3.24X10^7= 4.39 X 10^7
making the resultant:
6.2 X 10^7 ... why can't i get this thing!
 
You sure the question is exactly as you've posted it? I'm getting the same answer as you.
 
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physics is making go mad I am sorry... the NE and SW charges are positve...so let me try this again..
F12 is 3.24 X 10^7
x comp:0
y comp:-3.24 X 10^7

F14 is 3.24 X10^7
x comp:+3.24 X 10^7
y comp:0

F13 is 1.63 X 10^7
x comp:-1.15 X 10^7
y comp:1.15 X 10^7

Total X is 2.09 X 10^7
Total Y is -2.06 X 10^7

Resultant is 2.96 X 10^7(Finally got it)
and angle is found by doing tan inverse total y/total x and that is -45 deg
subtract that from 360 give me 315 degs pointing towards middle of square!

thanks for your patience lol see you tomorrow night most likely!
 

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