Magnitude of an Electric Field due to a dipole

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The problem involves calculating the magnitude of the electric field due to an electric dipole located at the origin, with charged particles separated by a specified distance. The original poster attempts to apply a formula for the electric field along the axis of the dipole at a given point in space.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the formula for the electric field, questioning the presence of a factor of 2 in the equation. There is also a consideration of potential misinterpretations of the problem statement regarding the distance used in calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance regarding the formula's correctness and the possibility of a mistake in the textbook. The original poster acknowledges a misreading of the problem, which may have contributed to the confusion in their calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy between the distance values used in the calculations and those stated in the problem, which may have led to the incorrect results. The discussion also reflects on the reliability of published educational materials.

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Homework Statement


A dipole is located at the origin, and is composed of charged particles with charge +e and -e, separated by a distance 2x10-10m along the x-axis.

Calculate the magnitude of the electric field due to the dipole at location ##\langle 0.2\times 10^{-8}, 0, 0\rangle##m

Homework Equations


##|\vec E_{axis}|=\frac {2kqs} {r^3}## for ##r\gg s##

The Attempt at a Solution


It seems simple and yet I have no idea what's wrong. I just plugged all the values in.
##|\vec E_{axis}|=\frac {2(9\times 10^9)(1.602\times 10^{-19})(2\times 10^{-10})} {(0.2\times 10^{-0.8})^3}=7.21\times 10^7N/C##. But the answer is ##3.6\times 10^4N/C##
I used this formula with the assumption that the r is much greater than s, which it is. But I even tried the formula where the difference between s and r is not a vast difference, yet I still got the wrong answer.
 
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Zack K said:

Homework Equations


##|\vec E_{axis}|=\frac {2kqs} {r^3}## for ##r\gg s##
Where did you get this? (That 2 shouldn't be there.)
 
Doc Al said:
Where did you get this? (That 2 shouldn't be there.)
From the textbook my class is using. Matter & Interactions 4th edition volume 2. I'm pretty sure the 2 is supposed to be there since this is a dipole and not a point charge. I can show you the derivation they did.
 
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Zack K said:
From the textbook my class is using. Matter & Interactions 4th edition volume 2. I'm pretty sure the 2 is supposed to be there since this is a dipole and not a point charge. I can show you the derivation they did.
Oops, my bad. The formula is correct. I suspect the answer is a mistake -- they used the formula for the perpendicular axis instead of the parallel.
 
Doc Al said:
Oops, my bad. The formula is correct. I suspect the answer is a mistake -- they used the formula for the perpendicular axis instead of the parallel.
It seems weird for an answer to be this wrong though. If I get rid of the 2 and scale it down by a factor of 1000 then I get the answer right. There's a second part to the question where again, to get the answer right I have to scale it down by a factor of a thousand. Isn't it bizarre for a published book on physics used in a class to miss something like that?
 
Ah, see checkpoint 5 in Chapter 13.6. (I found the book.) They ask two questions, perhaps you mixed up the answers.

The distance is 2 x 10-8, not 0.2 x 10-8.
 
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Doc Al said:
Ah, see checkpoint 5 in Chapter 13.6. (I found the book.) They ask two questions, perhaps you mixed up the answers.
Oh my god I see what I did wrong. The question says ##\langle 0, 2\times 10^{-8}, 0\rangle## and I misread it as ##\langle 0.2\times 10^{-8}, 0\rangle##
 

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