Direction of oscillations (2nd order ODE)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) involving a system represented by a matrix. The original poster seeks to analyze the behavior of the system, particularly focusing on the eigenvalues, stability at the origin, oscillation characteristics, and the direction of oscillations in the phase plane.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find eigenvalues and determine the nature of the origin based on the eigenvalues' properties. They express uncertainty about how to algebraically determine the direction of oscillations and recall a concept involving complex vectors.
  • Some participants question the formulation of the differential equation, suggesting a potential error in notation that could affect interpretation.
  • Another participant offers a method for visualizing the direction of oscillations by using specific points and the original equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the visualization of oscillation directions, but there remains uncertainty about the algebraic approach to finding these directions. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being considered.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the notation of the differential equation, which may impact the analysis. The original poster has also indicated a lack of clarity on certain concepts from earlier in the semester that are relevant to the current problem.

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Homework Statement


\frac{d\vec{Y}}{dt} = <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 2\\ <br /> -2 &amp;-1 <br /> \end{bmatrix}\vec{Y}<br />
With an initial condition of \vec{Y_0} = (-1,1)[/B]

a) Find the eigenvalues
b) Determine if the origin is a spiral sink, source, or center
c) Determine the natural period and frequency of the oscillations
d) Determine the direction of oscillations in the phase plane
e) Graph it

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I have the solutions, the eigens are \frac{-1}{2} \pm \frac{\sqrt{15}i}{2}

Because λ is negative and the roots of the characteristic polynomial are complex the solutions oscillate and it is a sink.

The frequency and periods can be found with f = \frac{2π}{μ}

But the directions of oscillation is where I have a problem. Again I have the answer to this problem (graphing it with mathematica gives the directions), but my question is how do I typically find the direction of oscillations for equations of this form using algebra or some other relationship that exists?

Edit: I remember there being something about u + iw vectors, but it's really fuzzy that was the beginning of the semester.
 
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rmiller70015 said:

Homework Statement


\frac{d\vec{Y}}{dt} = <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 2\\ <br /> -2 &amp;-1 <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br />
With an initial condition of \vec{Y_0} = (-1,1)[/B]

a) Find the eigenvalues
b) Determine if the origin is a spiral sink, source, or center
c) Determine the natural period and frequency of the oscillations
d) Determine the direction of oscillations in the phase plane
e) Graph it

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I have the solutions, the eigens are \frac{-1}{2} \pm \frac{\sqrt{15}i}{2}

Because λ is negative and the roots of the characteristic polynomial are complex the solutions oscillate and it is a sink.

The frequency and periods can be found with f = \frac{2π}{μ}

But the directions of oscillation is where I have a problem. Again I have the answer to this problem (graphing it with mathematica gives the directions), but my question is how do I typically find the direction of oscillations for equations of this form using algebra or some other relationship that exists?

Edit: I remember there being something about u + iw vectors, but it's really fuzzy that was the beginning of the semester.

Your DE makes no sense: it equates a vector on one side to a matrix on the other side. Did you mean
\frac{d}{dt} \vec{Y}(t) = \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 2\\<br /> -2 &amp;-1<br /> \end{bmatrix} \vec{Y}(t) \: ?<br />
 
Ray Vickson said:
Your DE makes no sense: it equates a vector on one side to a matrix on the other side. Did you mean
\frac{d}{dt} \vec{Y}(t) = \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 2\\<br /> -2 &amp;-1<br /> \end{bmatrix} \vec{Y}(t) \: ?<br />
Yes I did, sorry about that forgot my second vector.
 
So, I figure it out eventually and just in case any futuristic internet people find this I figure I can be helpful by saying if you use the point (1,0) and plug it into the original equation and set it equal to the initial condition vector you can draw an arc from the point (1,0) to the next point and consider if the solution is a source or sink.
 

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