Direction of velocity parallel to magnetic field?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of magnetic fields generated by parallel conductive wires carrying current, the induced electromotive force (emf) in a conductive loop moving parallel to these fields, and the resulting Lorentz force on the loop. Participants explore theoretical implications and clarify concepts related to magnetic interactions and forces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a setup with multiple conductive wires carrying equal currents and questions the correctness of their diagram depicting the magnetic field.
  • Another participant agrees that the induced emf would be zero when the loop moves parallel to the magnetic field, assuming the field's magnitude remains constant.
  • There is a claim that the Lorentz force on the loop would be zero due to the alignment of the magnetic field and current direction, but a torque may still act on the loop if disturbed.
  • One participant challenges the idea that the wires repel each other, arguing that since the currents are in the same direction, they should attract rather than repel.
  • Another participant asserts that repulsion occurs only with opposite current directions and encourages others to verify this by analyzing the magnetic field interactions between the wires.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of forces between the wires, with some arguing for attraction and others for repulsion. There is also a consensus on the induced emf being zero when the loop moves parallel to the magnetic field, but the discussion on the Lorentz force remains unresolved.

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Participants reference the stability of the system and the conditions under which forces and induced voltages are considered, indicating potential dependencies on the configuration and assumptions made about the magnetic field and current directions.

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I have a set-up where there are multiple conductive wires separated by insulators placed parallel to one another and current ##I_w## is flowing within each conductor(all currents are parallel and equal),they create a magnetic field and I believe would add up like this diagram:

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The current is flowing downwards, in the diagram above current is flowing into the page.
The way I diagrammed the magnetic field is it correct? Or approximately close to what it would be?

If there was a conductive loop placed in front of the wires, and moved parallel to the magnetic field like so:
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Due to the motion of the loop being parallel to the magnetic field ##-\epsilon = 0 ## correct?
Finally, if we allowed current to flow in the conductive loop like so:
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I'm not really sure what the Lorentz force acting on the wire would be, I'm assuming due to the current being opposite in direction the same magnetic field it would be zero...

I worked a lot of examples similar to this, but I'm not confident enough to say I'm right, always feel like I am missing something...
 
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First of all, there would be a few concentric lines of forces around the center of the individual wire showing that the wires would have a slight repulsion among themselves but it could be the case that these lines of forces could be of little or no importance if the loop is far away from the source of magnetic field.
Yes, the emf generated would be zero in the second case, since the magnetic field is not fluctuating near the loop, motion being parallel to the field (Assuming the magnitude of the field remains constant too).
The Lorentz force, I think, would be zero, since all the magnetic field generated by the loop is at right angles to the given magnetic field so no force would act on the loop. But it'd be an unstable equilibrium and the loop may experience a torque in anticlockwise direction w.r.t the diagram given, if disturbed.
Please let me know if I'm right or not!
 
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If the forces between the wires(repulsion) is due to the Lorentz force, that is not true since they are all in the same direction, therefore, would attract one another.
I agree about the induced voltage would be zero due to the flux lines not being perpendicular to the velocity(although perpendicular to the length).

For the Lorentz force, since the current flows are opposite in the same flux lines they cancel out, there can't be a force.
I think that's what happens in this case!

Thanks for revising this with me.
 
Nope, they would be repulsive! It requires opposite directions of the force to induce attractive forces.
I may be confused, but see it for yourself take magnetic field from one of the wires and see it's force on another wire with current in the same direction
 

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