Disambiguating arccosine/arcsine functions

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The discussion revolves around the trigonometric functions sine and cosine, specifically in relation to determining the angle omega (ω) based on given equations involving these functions. Participants explore the implications of the quadrants in which these functions are positive or negative, and how that affects the determination of ω.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between sine and cosine and the conditions under which ω exists. There are inquiries about how to determine the quadrant of ω based on the signs of sine and cosine. Some participants also explore the implications of using arcsine and arccosine functions in this context.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the properties of trigonometric functions and their quadrants. Some guidance has been offered regarding the existence of ω and the use of trigonometric identities, but there is no explicit consensus on the final approach to solving for ω.

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There is mention of potential restrictions on the value of ω, such as whether it must fall within the interval [0; 2π[. This aspect remains under consideration as participants explore different scenarios.

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Hi all,

I'm working on a program, and it seems that I can't get the trigonometry in my head right. I have two equations, sin(omega) = something and cos(omega) = something, and I need to find what omega is.

Given that there are two trig functions, I should be able to disambiguate what quadrant omega is in.

On the other hand, I don't quite understand the process of how this would be done.

Any help or input would be greatly appreciated!
 
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What are the +/- signs of the sin and cos functions in the 4 quadrants?
 
Oh, sorry about that.

Well, if we're going to go thataway, sine is positive in I and II, cosine is positive in I and III. Arcsine is defined in I and IV, arccosine is defined in I and II.

Thanks!
 
techninja said:
Oh, sorry about that.

Well, if we're going to go thataway, sine is positive in I and II, cosine is positive in I and III. Arcsine is defined in I and IV, arccosine is defined in I and II.

Thanks!

You're welcome. So does that mean your question is answered?
 
Nope; not at all. :smile:
 
techninja said:
Hi all,

I'm working on a program, and it seems that I can't get the trigonometry in my head right. I have two equations, sin(omega) = something and cos(omega) = something, and I need to find what omega is.

Well, firstly, you have to check for the existence of omega. You know the relation between sine, and cosine function, right?

[tex]\sin ^ 2 \omega + \cos ^ 2 \omega = 1[/tex]

If the above equation holds, then omega exists, if not, it doesn't. Do you know why?

Given that there are two trig functions, I should be able to disambiguate what quadrant omega is in.

On the other hand, I don't quite understand the process of how this would be done.

Any help or input would be greatly appreciated!

techninja said:
Well, if we're going to go thataway, sine is positive in I and II, cosine is positive in I and III...

We don't need the arcsin, and arccos part here.

Ok, so, say, if sin(omega) is positive, and cos(omega) is negative, what quadrant is omega in?

:)
 
That's a trig identity, I believe.

And, if sine is positive, it would be arccos(cos(omega)), and if not, it would be... 2*pi-arccos(cos(omega))?

Would that be right?

Thanks. (:
 
techninja said:
That's a trig identity, I believe.

And, if sine is positive, it would be arccos(cos(omega)), and if not, it would be... 2*pi-arccos(cos(omega))?

Would that be right?

Thanks. (:

Yup, correct. :)

However, does your omega has any restriction? i.e, say, must it be on the interval [0; 2pi[? Or anything along those line?

If omega must be on [0; 2pi[, then your solution would be:

[tex]\left[ \begin{array}{ll} \omega = \arccos (\cos (\omega)) , & \quad \mbox{for non-negative } \sin \omega \\ \omega = 2 \pi - \arccos \cos ( \omega ), & \quad \mbox{for negative } \sin \omega \end{array} \right.[/tex]

If, omega can be anything, then the general solution for omega would be:

[tex]\left[ \begin{array}{ll} \omega = \arccos (\cos (\omega)) + \2 k \pi , & \quad \mbox{for non-negative } \sin \omega \\ \omega = - \arccos ( \cos \omega ) + 2 k' \pi , & \quad \mbox{for negative } \sin \omega \end{array} \right.[/tex], where k, and k' are both integers.

You got it correctly. Congratulations. ^.^

Can you complete the programme? :)
 
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