Discover the Piezoelectric Equations for Ceramic Multi-Layer Components

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The discussion revolves around the governing equations needed to determine the output energy of ceramic rectangular multi-layer piezoelectric components after actuation. Participants explore the direct piezoelectric effect and seek to characterize the power output of these components, addressing both theoretical and experimental aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the specific governing equations for output energy after actuation, expressing familiarity with the properties of piezo components.
  • Several participants suggest searching online for governing equations, indicating that such information may be available but not readily recalled.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for a concise equation specific to ceramic multi-layer rectangular generators, highlighting the importance of comparing theoretical and measured output power.
  • It is noted that output power is dependent on the load connected to the piezoelectric cell, suggesting the need for simultaneous equations for both the cell and the load.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between power, voltage, and current, with one participant explaining that power can be zero under certain load conditions.
  • There is a mention of the complexity involved in determining the voltage versus time curve for each activation of the piezoelectric device, with concerns about the readiness of participants to tackle this complexity.
  • One participant expresses a goal of achieving about 10mW per actuation at 20Hz and acknowledges that force impacts overall power output.
  • Another participant suggests using an oscilloscope and conducting literature searches for experimental results and performance improvement tips.
  • There is a discussion about characterizing output power based on single actuation, with one participant clarifying the distinction between power and energy, indicating that energy per activation is not constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the equations and methods for characterizing piezoelectric output, with no consensus reached on specific equations or approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods to determine output energy and power.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the analysis required to accurately characterize output power and energy, noting that simple formulas may not suffice and that experimentation may be necessary.

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What are the governing equations to determine the output energy of a ceramic rectangular multi-layer piezoelectric component after one actuation? I am familiar with most of the properties and looking to characterize a piezo component from the direct piezo effect.
 
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While I don't know them off the top of my head, I know that I have seen the governing equations posted on the 'net. I suggest a search there to get what you want.
 
tbader said:
What are the governing equations to determine the output energy of a ceramic rectangular multi-layer piezoelectric component after one actuation? I am familiar with most of the properties and looking to characterize a piezo component from the direct piezo effect.
Here you go. http://www.piezo.com/tech2intropiezotrans.html
 
dlgoff said:
Thank you but I am looking for more specific information on the power output. The max deflection and voltage equation is useful but not applicable to what I am looking for
 
Dr.D said:
While I don't know them off the top of my head, I know that I have seen the governing equations posted on the 'net. I suggest a search there to get what you want.
Many of the searches use numerous different variables to characterize the output power. I am looking for more of a concise equation relative to my specific component of a ceramic multi-layer rectangular generator. I essentially am looking to find the error of the theoretical and calculated values. I have a piezo component that I hooked leads up to and measured the output power for one actuation by actuating at 10Hz and then dividing by 10 to get a per actuation value. I now am looking for the theoretical value, any help is appreciated.
 
The output power depends on the load connected to the cell. So you need two simultaneous equations, one for the cell and one for the load.
 
anorlunda said:
The output power depends on the load connected to the cell. So you need two simultaneous equations, one for the cell and one for the load.
What about for storage purposes like a small cap bank or battery?
 
tbader said:
What about for storage purposes like a small cap bank or battery?

The purpose doesn't matter.
 
anorlunda said:
The purpose doesn't matter.
So wouldn't you characterize this by just taking the input energy to the cap bank? The electrical contribution equation that I have seen in terms of material properties is; We = V/2 * k332*s33D*P2

What other equation would be needed?

K33 = Mechanical coupling factor
s33=elastic compliance
P=Pressure piezo is exposed to
V = volume
 
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Think of it this way, power is voltage times current. V*I
If the load is an open circuit, no current, I=0 P=0
If the load is a short circuit, no voltage, V=0 P=0
If your circuit looks like this, the important second equation, is ##I=C\frac{dV}{dt}##
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P is the piezoelectric device. The diode is there to prevent current flow backwards when you're not pushing.

The really hard part is to determine the voltage versus time curve of each activation of the piezoelectric device. I fear that it is more complicated than you're ready for.

This article may help. Look especially at the references linked. Some of those devices may be similar to what you want to do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting#Piezoelectric

You haven't said how much power you need to be successful. Most piezoelectric devices can make s few milliwatts in the proper circuit.
 
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anorlunda said:
The really hard part is to determine the voltage versus time curve of each activation of the piezoelectric device. I fear that it is more complicated than you're ready for.

How would you propose going about this?

I am looking to achieve about 10mW per actuation with about 20Hz. Obviously the force is going to impact the overall power as a larger force yields a larger output. Most achieve the most power at resonance which is the problem I am currently dealing with.
 
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tbader said:
How would you propose going about this?

I would use an oscilloscope. I would also consider a literature search for the results of experiments and for tips on how to improve performance.
 
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anorlunda said:
I would use an oscilloscope. I would also consider a literature search for the results of experiments and for tips on how to improve performance.
So if I set up the piezo in a circuit to determine the power and at let's say 15Hz the output is 50mW. Does that mean per actuation (every 66ms [1/15Hz]), the output would be 3.33 mW (50mW/15Hz). Does this make sense on how you would characterize output power based on a single actuation?
 
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tbader said:
Does this make sense on how you would characterize output power based on a single actuation?

No. Power has the wrong units. A single activation might result in a defined amount of energy. Power is in watts, energy is in watt*seconds. An actuation might give 10 watts for 0.01 seconds resulting in 0.01 watt*seconds. If you get 10 such activation per second, the average power over the second would be 0.0001 watts.

But even the amount of energy per activation is not constant. As the capacitor charges, it approaches full charge and the energy added for each activation gradually goes to zero.

The short answer is that you're not going to find a simple number or a simple formula to give you an answer. It will take either a very complicated analysis or some experimentation. If complicated analysis is not your thing, some benchtop experiments might be your best choice.
 
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