Discrete Mathematics with possible Quotient Remainder Theorem

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The discussion revolves around the properties of integers in relation to the Quotient Remainder Theorem and modular arithmetic, specifically focusing on the possible values of m² when divided by 5.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the Quotient Remainder Theorem, questioning how to apply it to the expression m². There is discussion about the choice of d and its relationship to m, as well as the potential values of m² modulo 5.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting specific values for d and others questioning the implications of those choices. There is a recognition of the limited possible remainders when squaring integers modulo 5, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and relationships involved, particularly regarding the assignment of values in the context of the Quotient Remainder Theorem and modular arithmetic.

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Homework Statement

For all integers m, m^{}2=5k, or m^{}2=5k+1, or m^{}2=5k+4 for some integer k.


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I'm pretty sure we have to use the Quotient Remainder THM, which is:

Given any integer n and positive integer d, there exists unique integers q and r such that,

n=dq+r and 0 \leqr<d.

But that's as far as I got. I have no idea what to do next.
 
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Well, it seems pretty obvious what you want d to be. Then square it.
 
No, I have no idea what d is supposed to be. Are you saying that d should equal m and that d squared is m squared?
 
Compare 5k+1 to dq+r.
 
Aaahhh...

So d=5, k=q, and r=1. Would n=m^2? But how would that help me. I mean if you take the square root then n might not possible be an integer anymore...
 
If you've encountered modular arithmetic, use

Code:
n (mod 5)     0  1  2  3  4
n^2 (mod 5)   0  1  4  4  1
 
For any number m, you can write m=5q+r. So what is m2? Combine factors of 5 to see what the remainder is for different r.
 
Okay, I think I'm getting the general idea. I know that r can only be 0,1,2,3 or 4, but when m is squared, those numbers still have to be lower than five, so 0^2 is less than five, as is 1^2 and 2^2. Am I on the right track?
 
Yes, there are five possible remainders, but squared and taken mod 5 there are only three.
 

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